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Tournament: ATRL's Holy Trinity ▲ WELCOME TO THE FINALE
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The Scene Trinity
Results [yes all of it]
First, judging comments! Find out why judges ranked you where they did, and feel free to reply to anything in the thread. Use CTRL+F to find your username.
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Originally posted by Chill Bill
Nikolai
First submission of the season and it’s a zero-effort entry with a one-sentence description for each song. Seriously, did you even try?
Hugamari
What kind of bizarre-ass story I REALLY didn’t see that ending coming, but then again, who would?
I guess my one criticism is that the last song doesn’t really fit the theme. By the time you get to the twist ending, the junkyard setting seems more incidental than anything.
fireaero
Ah, taking the historical route! I liked that you really tried to capture the POV of someone in the midst of the Great Depression. You even used the “rainy” part of the prompt to your advantage by having it symbolize both the despair of the narrator and his lingering glimmer of optimism. Speaking of which, I liked how the story ended on a hopeful note, which is pretty unusual for a story based around that setting.
that G.U.Y.
Your entry was like getting a pair of socks for Christmas. They’re comfy, well-made and they do their job splendidly, but they’re not what I wanted.
See, if this was the Story Trinity, you would have been a strong contender for #1… but it’s the Scene Trinity. And you don’t actually do anything with the setting you chose (a mansion in foreclosure) until the very end, so I have to dock points for that. I’ll give you points because you clearly put a lot of work into this, but you kind of missed the mark.
Kxvk
Kxvk, my friend, I can tell you’re going to go far this season. For this trinity, you managed to choose songs that are both lyrically and atmospherically relevant to the prompt. I especially liked your second choice, which captured both the futuristic tone and the quirkiness of the setting you picked.
swiftie13
Let me just say this now; your prose is exquisite. That, and you took a really original approach to the challenge by taking the reader on a tour through three different, unrelated scenes that could play out in this setting. I was pretty skeptical when I saw that you chose a Mariah Carey song for a scene that takes place in the 30’s, but in an odd way, it still fits. The production has a bit of a retro feel to it.
Kingie
Like Kxvk, you did a splendid job of picking songs that were both sonically and lyrically fitting to the scene you chose. Trouble is… not all of them fit the story you’ve written.
“Cosmic Explorer,” set during the takeoff, conveys all the power and excitement of the moment, so points for that. “Brave New World,” though… I don’t know, it sounds a little too upbeat for an imminent life-threatening emergency. I kind of have the same complaint about “Savior” - for a song about drifting through the infinite vacuum of space indefinitely, I expected something a little more bleak and dreary.
Girlicious
Well, um… you’re not entirely wrong. That said, I don’t really like the fact that the entire entry came off as an anti-zoo tract, especially since your three song choices seemed to convey the same message. I’m not saying they were unfitting or anything, but your trinity could have used a little more diversity.
jpow
Hmm… interesting approach. You went in with a specific conception of what the year 3000 will be like, based on a series of events predicted for the next millennium. Each song you picked is given a backstory explaining why it, specifically, is relevant to the 3000-era populace. I have to say, I’ve never seen a Scene Trinity quite like this, and on that merit, you’ve definitely made a good first impression this season.
Also, @ the Blue Ivy reference
Xedretinz Lododnz
It’s great to see you back! You had a really strong showing last season, and it looks like this season will be no different. I especially like how you went into detail about the sonic aspects of the song, as they relate to your theme.
And… not much else to say beyond that. Good stuff.
MusicLoverDude
Not Muffy Crosswire
I guess my main complaint is similar to the one I gave for that G.U.Y.; only a third of your trinity actually takes place in a mansion being foreclosed on. I get that you wanted to set up Muffy’s backstory before hitting us with the news of her mansion’s foreclosure, but I don’t think it merited a song.
Also, nahhh. Francine wouldn’t let her BFF suffer like that.
Rian
I see another one of you took the “story” approach, which is always welcome. Interesting use of laconic prose, too; you make it sound a bit like a children’s picture book.
My only criticism is that… maybe your song choices could’ve been better? “Follow The Light” is more indicative of fortitude and perseverance than curiosity.
Temporal
I guess Atlantis really brings out the best in y’all, because I’m just as impressed with your entry as I was with Xedretrinz Lododnz. (Regrettably, though, I still have to rank one above the other.) Your descriptions, while brief, are dense with detailed, lush descriptions of both the songs themselves and the scenes they illustrate.
Denis Stoff
Sigh. It just looks like you Google searched songs about circuses and picked the first three you found. And no, you didn’t necessarily have to pick songs from the 20th century, but all three of your songs were unmistakably modern. Nothing about them reminds me of anything pre-2000.
mxtthewdelrey
So… telling a story from the perspective of a prostitute wasn’t necessarily a bad idea, but you ended up focusing more on the idea of prostitution than on the setting- and this is the Scene Trinity, so that just won’t fly. On top of that, your trinity wasn’t very… focused. You start out talking about how you imagine prostitutes think, then you go off on a tangent about a guy you once sexted and a movie you saw, only occasionally reminding the reader about the motel setting.
DevonDreams
Huh… I thought Tymps blacklisted you from his games permanently after you ragequit from the Webkinz game. Or maybe that was lovesong, I don’t remember.
…oh, right, the Trinity! Um… your first half of the Trinity left a lot to be desired. The Janet song is pretty explicitly about a specific romantic interest of hers, so it doesn’t really relate to the story you were telling. Although… you could have talked about a secret boyfriend your character had, and the forbidden love they shared together, and that would have fit your first song choice a little better.
That said, your Trinity really picked up by the time you got to the second song! Rain is typically associated with sorrow, so it’s pretty interesting to see a story in which rain symbolizes euphoria and solace from an unforgiving world.
Witch Privilege
Well, it’s better than what you tried to submit last season…
Setting the scene based on nothing but dialogue was a pretty creative and adventurous idea, but… maybe the dialogue could’ve been stronger? That, and the songs you chose aren’t that strongly related to the scene, beyond their main refrains.
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Originally posted by minho
Nikolai
The first two songs really fit the concept, especially the Kesha one, but I felt that “Here” was out of place. Also, I would suggest adding a little bit more to your entry in the future. You don’t have to write paragraphs, but more than one line would really help to set the scene better.
Hugamari
Serving typos But I won’t censer you
I like that you went with a story concept for setting the scene. The songs didn’t really fit the theme of “junkyard” except for Warrior which has a sort of clangy noisy style. I felt like the song choices could have been better.
fireaero
First off I want to applaud you for taking a risk and using all instrumental songs. I’ll say that you pretty much set the scene perfectly. Framing it around the stock market crash was a great concept, and the suspense of the first song helped make that feel more real.
that G.U.Y.
I was NOT expecting this story book
The story was interesting and fit the concept for sure and the songs obviously fit your story and set a scene. In the future I wouldn’t recommend writing that much dd, but it was creative.
Kxvk
Musically your songs fit the scene perfectly, great job doing that. I also like that you picked different choices than might’ve been expected. Including the last song was a good decision too because it gave a little bit more variety but still fit the futuristic feel. By far the best ‘set scene’ in my opinion, and I discovered three new songs!
swiftie
L.O.V.E fit the scene so well, I’m glad that it ended the trinity. Your first two songs fit the scene as well, but I wasn’t totally sold on the Great Gatsby concept, something was just missing. In the future I’d think of more unique ways to present your trinity rather than just narrating the scene I guess (ex. going deeper with the Great Gatsby concept would’ve been cool) but since this is your first one it’s not a big deal.
Kingie
I loved the concept and aesthetic of this entry, it was something kind of different from a typical ~deep space~ one. The sort of retro vibe from your presentation and story fit the songs too which was incredible since most of them are more recent. I thought this was done perfectly.
Girlicious
I like that you tried to do a negative/darker feel for the Zoo concept! It seemed promising and while you explained your song choices they weren’t totally convincing for me.
jpow
I liked your song choices and the descriptions that followed. Trying to describe how the year 3000 would interpret these songs gave a unique edge to your entry. It was cool that it felt like a timeline, or a history lesson about what had led up to the year 3000 as present.
XL
Your song choices were definitely on point. Blue Ocean Floor is a perfect choice. This entry was cute, I enjoyed how you made each song fit. I’d consider trying to do something more unique like a story, a poem, or something out of the box in the future! But good job.
MLD
I like that you used an existing character and tried to imagine her perspective. It gave a cool feel to your trinity. Your song choices were decent, they definitely fit your story, but some worked better than others. Overall it was a nice start but I look forward to more creative stuff from you.
Rian
I like that you went with a story. The first two songs fit the space concept well but the last one felt like an outlier to me The ending of the story kind of made me laugh in a weird way dd.
Temporal
Your song choices were OK. The second one kind of ruined the mood/scene for me a bit, but the other two were pretty good. I actually liked that you went with more of an explanation as to why the songs fit the scene, it ended up being pretty different from other entries.
Denis Stoff
I kind of wish that your entry was a bit more consistent. Each of the three songs worked for a circus but they also worked for three different circuses. I liked the last song the best because of the darker feel, I think that direction would’ve been great.
Also I knew someone would use Britney!
mxtthewdelrey
This was definitely different which was good, the song choices seemed a bit strange at first but they actually worked with your story. I like that it was a funnier approach, but it wasn’t my favourite.
DevonDreams
Your second and third song fit really well, I especially liked the Amy Winehouse song, I think it worked nicely for your trinity and your story. I think you could have done a bit more with setting the scene but it was a nice start.
Witch_Privilege
I know that this was more of a last minute entry so I won’t drag you or anything. I just wasn’t getting enough of the scene from this, the songs seemed to work, but there wasn’t enough to really convince me.
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Originally posted by Tymps.
My overall thoughts – I really think this season has the strongest writers so far! Lots of people can write very beautifully.
Nikolai – I think this was a very superficial look at a motel. I would’ve liked a more creative approach. Also, maybe going a little more in depth could have helped.
Hugamari– I love the creativity but this was kinda too much of a trip. And you know I appreciate the pandering but at an objective level it’s a little unfair for you to do that when lots of the contestants don’t know who any of the judges are. But I do really like the inventiveness!
fireaero – I love the historical approach and I really love that you were willing to use soundtrack songs and stuff, whatever fit best. Concise and original.
that G.U.Y. – Girl I’m giving you an A+ for effort. There’s so much detail and you even made a whole damn website? Work. But, I think in the future you should try to be more concise so you can be more polished. The songs seemed like total afterthoughts, and were placed in random spots throughout the story. They also lacked the gravitas that the story had, like you’re telling this heartbreaking tale and then there’s Beverly Hills by Weezer? While I don’t base my judging on this, there were also lots of typos. So, just, in the future try to cut it down a little.
Kxvk – I like that you sonically matched the futuristic theme. I thought the first and third song choices were really ingenious, but the second one was kind of a mess. It didn’t really seem relevant, suburbs aren’t known for being full of “wacky” people as you say, they’re more known for being closed off and to themselves.
swiftie13 – I like the theme in 1930s-influenced sound, but I wasn’t sure if some songs *cough*Meteorite*cough* fit it. This was super beautifully written and a really cute idea that didn’t have to reinvent the wheel.
Kingie – While this is written well, it’s sort of for me just like “oh, you did outer space so you did an astronaut.” A little expected I guess. Which, I mean, I don’t know. Your entry is very polished and I definitely can’t tell this is your first entry ever. But I just didn’t think the story itself was spectacular. Your formatting is on point though!
Girlicious – I love this idea! But. I don’t love the song choices. I think You Don’t Care About Me is a good fit but the other two are messy, especially Here. When you do topics like this, it’s probably better to use more general and/or ambiguous songs.
jpow – This idea is really, really cool. The songs are fitting and I think it’s super awesome each song had a mock historical story behind them. I do wish, though, that you had kept intact the idea of the suburbs from your prompt because I think that adds a cool extra layer to it, the idea of the suburbs being this place of ennui and growing up and what that means in the year 3000.
Xedretinz Lododnz – I got a lot of ocean but I didn’t get a whole lot of Atlantis. I wish you had expanded more on Atlantis itself because that’s what made this prompt more special than, say, “under the sea.” Beautiful formatting though.
MusicLoverDude – Bitch aslgdjlkakslg. I was laughing through your whole entry, I love the light hearted approach cuz lots of the other entries were really heavy. Honestly this was great, and those ****ing PNGs made me cackle. Next hit meme?
Rian. – This was cute but kind of just the bare bones of a story. I would’ve liked more detail about their alien lifestyle because that’s what’s going to make the story pop from any other love story. Like I wanted to hear how they were messing around with the satellites.
Temporal – Did you actually ****ing use the word “triangulate” girl. Serving intense academia and its frequently-corresponding pretension sis. I like how you took a walk in the shoes of Atlanters? Atlantians? Atlantish? I’m not gonna say you need to write more but I’d like to hear more details about Atlantis. Don’t worry about explicitly explaining songs; for example, for the first one you could’ve just said “The people of Atlantis miss their life above the water deeply” and had the link to the song. We’ll still get it girl, most of the judging panel is intelligent.
Denis Stoff – Girl you’re a kii. But did you just go into your iTunes and search “circus”? I wish you would’ve explained why the songs work a little more. I feel the same way sometimes about songs, like, they just work with a theme, but for Holy Trinity you need to articulate why.
mxtthewdelrey – You always know how to stand out with your big personality and sense of humour, work! This entry was hilarious and I love a good, funny trinity. Knowing that GFOTY song already made this 10x funnier. I just think you could’ve been funny and still sticked more with the prompt.
DevonDreams – This was a good idea. I liked how you tied the rain in but didn’t have to make the whole entry about the rain. I think, though, a clearer story could’ve helped you, rather than generalizations about the character’s life.
Witch Privilege – SHADE URBAN DOWN. I wish that personality was elsewhere in this entry because the rest was kind of exactly what was expected from the prompt. Maybe the prompt wasn’t so good after all. This was a last minute entry though so I get why it’s this way.
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And now, rankings! Time to find out who's in the Golden Trinity and the Flop Trinity!
fireaero
Chill Bill ▲ #1
minho ▲ #3
Tymps. ▲ #1 | jpow
Chill Bill ▲ #5
minho ▲ #4
Tymps. ▲ #3 | Kingie
Chill Bill ▲ #7
minho ▲ #1
Tymps. ▲ #6 |
Kxvk
Chill Bill ▲ #6
minho ▲ #2
Tymps. ▲ #8 | swiftie13
Chill Bill ▲ #2
minho ▲ #10
Tymps. ▲ #5 | Temporal
Chill Bill ▲ #3
minho ▲ #5
Tymps. ▲ #9 | MusicLoverDude
Chill Bill ▲ #11
minho ▲ #7
Tymps. ▲ #2 |
Xedretinz Lododnz
Chill Bill ▲ #4
minho ▲ #6
Tymps. ▲ #12 | Hugamari
Chill Bill ▲ #12
minho ▲ #8
Tymps. ▲ #7 | that G.U.Y.
Chill Bill ▲ #10
minho ▲ #9
Tymps. ▲ #10 |
mxtthewdelrey
Chill Bill ▲ #15
minho ▲ #11
Tymps. ▲ #4 | DevonDreams
Chill Bill ▲ #8
minho ▲ #12
Tymps. ▲ #11 | Rian.
Chill Bill ▲ #9
minho ▲ #14
Tymps. ▲ #14 | Girlicious
Chill Bill ▲ #13
minho ▲ #13
Tymps. ▲ #13 |
Witch Privilege
Chill Bill ▲ #14
minho ▲ #16
Tymps. ▲ #15 | Nikolai
Chill Bill ▲ #17
minho ▲ #15
Tymps. ▲ #17 | Denis Stoff
Chill Bill ▲ #16
minho ▲ #17
Tymps. ▲ #16 |
Congratulations to fireaero, jpow and Kingie! It's cool that the Golden Trinity is made up of two new players and one getting a post Rock and Roll McDonalds redemption edit!
You three will be discussing together and deciding on one Flop Trinity member to eliminate. You can choose from Witch Privilege, Nikolai and Denis Stoff. You will also be choosing a member in the middle to give immunity to for the next round. This is not optional, you have to do it!! (Unless you tell them, they will not know they're receiving immunity.)
PM me with both of those decisions within the next 24 hours. Good luck!
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Me just missing the trinity.
Thanks for all the positive praise though judges! And congrats to the trinity too!
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Thank you for the critiques. I have a more clear understanding of the nature of the entries and I will do better.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Thanks judges! This is actually a great start for me given that I had and will have less time doing my trinities this season. Anyway, looking forward to the next round
Congrats to firearo, jpow & Kingie
goodluck to the flop trinity
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Wow, I didn't do bad at all If I'm reading the chart right, I'm 6th for this round? Which is equal to my PH debut in S7. #ClarksonConfirmed
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most of the judging panel is intelligent.
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wow @ Tymps shading someone
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Wow, thanks! I've been so busy with school that I wanted to extend further on my entry, but I didn't have the time.
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ATRL Contributor
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Wow! I love how the judges are all pretty different in their opinions. I imagine Citrus will add yet another unique layer.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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WOW, thank you to the judges, especially minho for the #1
Completely unexpected. I also appreciate the criticism, I'll try to think outside the box a bit more and tie my songs together more moving forward.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Mess I low key loved Denis' entry
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Rian. – This was cute but kind of just the bare bones of a story. I would’ve liked more detail about their alien lifestyle because that’s what’s going to make the story pop from any other love story. Like I wanted to hear how they were messing around with the satellites.
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Like ... forreal?
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Oop, not in the flop trinitea!
Also I agree with my comments, particularly Tymps.' I knew I wasn't sky rocketing straight to the Golden Trinity with that entry, but I don't think I would have regardless of what scene I chose, so I decided to just make a silly entry and try to be a bit entertaining while hopefully making it through to the next round. I see that's what happened, so that's great! I'll step it up next time for y'all, especially Bill who most likely felt left out of my entry.
Congratulations fireaero, jpow, and Kingie! There's been a noticeable trend about the first Golden Trinity and who wins the game overall not to put pressure on you guys or anything.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Woah I didn't expect this Thanks to the judges!
Nice job jpow and Kingie!
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ATRL Contributor
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Omg congrats fireaero!
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Member Since: 1/13/2012
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Wow
Thanks
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/11/2007
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Sorry was my first time playing
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Let me start preparing the next round. Hopefully the Golden Trinity gets back to me soon!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Not me being critiqued on my comments when this is literally in the rules
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Usually, people also include descriptions of their song choices, although this is not required.
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So basically I didn't NEED to put anything but I still did. It's my first time playing I didn't know it was frowned upon to not write paragraphs. My sentences were succinct and did the job, I think it's pretty unfair.
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Originally posted by Nikolai.
Not me being critiqued on my comments when this is literally in the rules
So basically I didn't NEED to put anything but I still did. It's my first time playing I didn't know it was frowned upon to not write paragraphs. My sentences were succinct and did the job, I think it's pretty unfair.
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Okay, a few things...
No, you technically didn't need to include descriptions of the songs you chose, but that wasn't the problem. In fact, if you looked at the entries for last season's Scene Trinity, you'd know that the winning entry (A Bomb's, seen here) barely described the songs at all. Instead, the songs were just used as background music for the story Bomb was telling.
You could have gone down that route, but you didn't tell us anything substantial about the setting either. And that leads me to my next point... we were expecting you to describe the setting. As Tymps said:
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Feel free to add more detail to your location; we don't want generals. For example, something like "at cemeteries, people are often sad and mourning, so I chose One Sweet Day" is too general and not very interesting.
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But throughout your entire entry, we only get two vague details about your setting; it's often where Grindr dates end up, and it's a place you don't want to be. Surely there was something else you could have told us about? The seedy atmosphere? The drafty bedrooms? The flickering lights? The peeling wallpaper? The barely functional TV from 1975 that only gets three channels?
And it's not like you had to write full books, either. Temporal only wrote 2-3 sentences for each song, but he clearly put a lot of thought and effort into those few sentences. This is what he wrote:
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For the people of Atlantis, a devastating consequence of sinking below the waves would be the isolation that comes with disappearing. Bouncing on Caribbean steel drums, "Castaway" reminisces on life above the water and the desire to overcome the desolation that comes with living thousands of feet below.
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This is what you wrote:
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I chose "Here" as my final song since it's about being somewhere that one wouldn't want to be.
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See the difference?
I understand that it was your first time playing, but Tymps was helpful enough to include a link to last season's Scene Trinities, and he offered to answer any questions that the contestants had, so it's not like there was no way you could have known what the judges were expecting.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Nah it's still BS, sorry but this isn't really what I was expecting. I quit sorry Tymps
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