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Discussion: J. Cole shades Iggy, Eminem, Macklemore, Justin Timberlake
Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by dcode78
So the likes of Michael, Janet, Whitney and other black artists who worked twice as hard didn't have to come for their white contemporaries.
They let the work speak for itself..
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That's there decision. If you look at chart history Black urban artists didn't have it as hard decades ago anyway.
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Originally posted by dcode78
And I understand that beef is part of hip hop..but race is another story..it's like yall think that Em, Iggy, and Mackelmore were handed this stuff on a silver platter just because they are white! Mess! They worked just as hard..and I'm very sure they knew what they were getting into entering a black dominated musical genre.
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Why are you acting like this is a disadvantage? Iggy and Macklemores stans are white and do not cater to black audiences. Em was the only one that won over the black community. Kudos to him for that. But that does not negate from his white privilege.
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by dcode78
There is urban radio..and there was a time when rappers were all over "pop" radio.
That's not an excuse.
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Urban radio is NOT mainstream radio. So how can these rappers "step their game up" as you put it, when "the game" itself (i.e. The Industry) won't even support them and give them a fair chance at mainstream success? How come Eminem, Macklemore, and Iggy are mainly the only rappers getting play on pop radio? Let's not be delusional and proclaim this to just be a coincidence.
We do agree on one thing though...It's not an excuse. It's the truth.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Jazz and Rock n Roll were taken over in a completely different time, in a completely different world. I hope you are joking about the last three things
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Have you ever watched a street dance film in the last decade? What race is pushed to the forefront and what race is sidelined?
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Mannequin.Dummy
Urban radio is NOT mainstream radio. So how can these rappers "step their game up" as you put it, when "the game" itself (i.e. The Industry) won't even support them and give them a fair chance at mainstream success? How come Eminem, Macklemore, and Iggy are mainly the only rappers getting play on pop radio? Let's not be delusional and proclaim this to just be a coincidence.
We do agree on one thing though...It's not an excuse. It's the truth.
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Jeremih, Chris Brown, Nicki Minaj, Big Sean, Trey Songz, I Love Makkonen
Black Urban artists who are top 50 on Pop radio TODAY.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Mannequin.Dummy
Urban radio is NOT mainstream radio. So how can these rappers "step their game up" as you put it, when "the game" itself (i.e. The Industry) won't even support them and give them a fair chance at mainstream success? How come Eminem, Macklemore, and Iggy are mainly the only rappers getting play on pop radio? Let's not be delusional and proclaim this to just be a coincidence.
We do agree on one thing though...It's not an excuse. It's the truth.
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Not Eminem getting airplay
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Jeremih, Chris Brown, Nicki Minaj, Big Sean, Trey Songz, I Love Makkonen
Black Urban artists who are top 50 on Pop radio TODAY.
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This is a discussion about rappers, which majority of the people you listed aren't. I applaud the effort though.
Nicki is pop half the damn time, and Big Sean does his thing on features. There are exceptions which I hinted to in my last post.
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by Lein
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He does where I live boo. You may be seated.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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I think it has to deal with marketability and your overall sound. Some rappers (Chief Keef, Lil B, Tyler the Creator (even though i adore him) etc) arent marketable. Some are (Iggy because of her barbie look and pop sound, macklemore because of his pop sound, B.o.B because of his pop sound). Even Eminem in "Rap God" said he fused pop and hip hop to maintain mainstream success. You can be the most talented rapper in the urban community but because top 40 runs the music industry these days and majority of america is white, unless your music has a pop element to it youre not going to see the success. The only rappers who can release straight up hip hop tracks are veterans such as JayZ and Kanye etc. Nicki has to release pop-oriented rap songs because otherwise the GP aint checking for her. Do Macklemore, Iggy and Eminem have an advantage with their skin color, yes but as mediocre as their (Iggy and Macklemore) raps are compared to other people, they are still extremely marketable to a majority white population. White people rapping is interesting to the GP just like a black girl doing strictly EDM and pop would be interesting
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by Mannequin.Dummy
Urban radio is NOT mainstream radio. So how can these rappers "step their game up" as you put it, when "the game" itself (i.e. The Industry) won't even support them and give them a fair chance at mainstream success? How come Eminem, Macklemore, and Iggy are mainly the only rappers getting play on pop radio? Let's not be delusional and proclaim this to just be a coincidence.
We do agree on one thing though...It's not an excuse. It's the truth.
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You act like black rappers haven't seen mainstream success..so a few white rappers who are seeing success doesn't outweigh the majority of rappers who have seen it..Eminem et al. don't represent the whole genre..
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Originally posted by Javan
That's there decision. If you look at chart history Black urban artists didn't have it as hard decades ago anyway.
Why are you acting like this is a disadvantage? Iggy and Macklemores stans are white and do not cater to black audiences. Em was the only one that won over the black community. Kudos to him for that. But that does not negate from his white privilege.
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So Jay, Tupac, Nas, etc didn't have white fans? So all black people made their albums multi-platinum. I got you. I guess black privilege prevailed in that instance.
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by dcode78
You act like black rappers haven't seen mainstream success..so a few white rappers who are seeing success doesn't outweigh the majority of rappers who have seen it..Eminem et al. don't represent the whole genre..
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You're missing my point and apparently J. Cole's as well.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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I'm fully aware of his point!
I understand about white privilege..I understand "institutionalized racism".. I understand all of that.
But I'm not that pressed to recognize that white rappers not make up the majority of hip hop..and they are not the face of it either...regardless of how the media and artists feel about it.
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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No one have a right to tell musicians what music they should or shouldn't make. Not to mention, many black artists are just as successful as white artists.
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Originally posted by Gavroche
No one have a right to tell musicians what music they should or shouldn't make. Not to mention, many black artists are just as successful as white artists.
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All his albums have outsold The New classic though
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Originally posted by Taste of Honey
He's not blaming them on being white. He's saying that in R&B and Hip-Hop that white artists are(and have been) taking these sounds and achieving success with them on a large platform, with black artists are not even given the opportunity or backing to do so. This is a fact whether we want to admit this or not, especially now.
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But that isn't true...the whole late 80s, 90s, and beginning to mid 00s era consisted of Rappers and R&B singers thriving and selling...and then we have mega stars like Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, MJ, Janet (before nipplegate), Whitney, Mariah, Bey, and countless others...if we wanna talk about the state of urban artist sales now we can't blame anyone but those of us that don't buy music but rather download, you can't expect whites to support their own and ours.
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by dcode78
I'm fully aware of his point!
I understand about white privilege..I understand "institutionalized racism".. I understand all of that.
But I'm not that pressed to recognize that white rappers not make up the majority of hip hop..and they are not the face of it either...regardless of how the media and artists feel about it.
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You're right. They're not the face of it, even if the media tries to paint them as such with titles such as King and Queen...
Most people problems with such accolades is that it completely undermines the artistry of other artists in the genre who may be more artistic, more talented etc, but are simply overlooked and ignored.
With that said, if someone called Em king, I wouldn't be pressed about it.
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Member Since: 4/27/2011
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Originally posted by Djbrian
But that isn't true...the whole late 80s, 90s, and beginning to mid 00s era consisted of Rappers and R&B singers thriving and selling...and then we have mega stars like Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, MJ, Janet (before nipplegate), Whitney, Mariah, Bey, and countless others...if we wanna talk about the state of urban artist sales now we can't blame anyone but those of us that don't buy music but rather download, you can't expect whites to support their own and ours.
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I can agree with most of this... you can't really complain if you don't buy and support.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by Gavroche
No one have a right to tell musicians what music they should or shouldn't make. Not to mention, many black artists are just as successful as white artists.
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Originally posted by Djbrian
But that isn't true...the whole late 80s, 90s, and beginning to mid 00s era consisted of Rappers and R&B singers thriving and selling...and then we have mega stars like Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, MJ, Janet (before nipplegate), Whitney, Mariah, Bey, and countless others...if we wanna talk about the state of urban artist sales now we can't blame anyone but those of us that don't buy music but rather download, you can't expect whites to support their own and ours.
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Member Since: 7/23/2012
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Originally posted by Notorious K.E.N
All his albums have outsold The New classic though
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Yeah, ok. This only proves my point even more, that you can be successful regardless of your race.
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Member Since: 9/5/2011
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Originally posted by Mannequin.Dummy
You're right. They're not the face of it, even if the media tries to paint them as such with titles such as King and Queen...
Most people problems with such accolades is that it completely undermines the artistry of other artists in the genre who may be more artistic, more talented etc, but are simply overlooked and ignored.
With that said, if someone called Em king, I wouldn't be pressed about it.
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Outside of ATRL, I've never heard anyone say Iggy is the Queen of Hip Hop..she hasn't paid her dues yet to receive any title..but I do admire her hustle..
Well if it was all about the art, then I think we wouldn't even be having this discussion tbh.
And I wouldn't either. *listens to Renegade and receives life*
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
I think it has to deal with marketability and your overall sound. Some rappers (Chief Keef, Lil B, Tyler the Creator (even though i adore him) etc) arent marketable. Some are (Iggy because of her barbie look and pop sound, macklemore because of his pop sound, B.o.B because of his pop sound). Even Eminem in "Rap God" said he fused pop and hip hop to maintain mainstream success. You can be the most talented rapper in the urban community but because top 40 runs the music industry these days and majority of america is white, unless your music has a pop element to it youre not going to see the success. The only rappers who can release straight up hip hop tracks are veterans such as JayZ and Kanye etc. Nicki has to release pop-oriented rap songs because otherwise the GP aint checking for her. Do Macklemore, Iggy and Eminem have an advantage with their skin color, yes but as mediocre as their (Iggy and Macklemore) raps are compared to other people, they are still extremely marketable to a majority white population. White people rapping is interesting to the GP just like a black girl doing strictly EDM and pop would be interesting
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Mostly this. If Iggy had made Angel Haze's album, she would not be as sucessful
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