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News: Serena Williams exposed as disgusting victim blamer.
Member Since: 1/27/2006
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Thoughtful decisions over what? No one should worry about being raped, no one should make decisions to prevent rape. It is the rapist who should control himself, not the potential victim.
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WHY? 
Why is preventing rape different from preventing any other terrible thing? And don't take as implication you need to have your **** on lockdown when you go out. I just don't see why it's okay to not teach young, defenseless girls the situations that could happen and how to defend themselves and/or prevent. Given they are not so far gone to a vulnerable state.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
People shouldn't do a lot of things. But they do. But if you could have taken steps to prevent it, and you dont.....
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Then it's still not the victim's fault 
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Member Since: 1/20/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
I'm comparing preventable rape to preventable identity theft.
I shouldn't have to worry about shredding/destroying my bank account details before I throw it in the trash, if someone uses it against my will or robs me blind, it's there fault. I did nothing wrong. Why should I make decisions to prevent it?
Do you see how that doesn't work. You can't expect everyone to be good to you. People shouldn't rape, people shoudn't con, people shouldn't thieve. People shouldn't do a lot of things. But they do. But if you could have taken steps to prevent it, and you dont.....
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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If it's so easy to prevent rape in "25 easy steps" why is it still such a huge issue? Utter nonsense.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
WHY?
Why is preventing rape different from preventing any other terrible thing? And don't take as implication you need to have your **** on lockdown when you go out. I just don't see why it's okay to not teach young, defenseless girls the situations that could happen and how to defend and/or prevent themselves. Given they are not so far gone to a vulnerable state. |
How do you prevent rape?
You don't drink. OK what if you're raped when you were sober? Then don't dress like a ****. What if I was dressed modestly? Then don't hang out with guys you don't know. But I was with guys I trusted.
Don't you see where this is going? You can come up with ANYTHING to blame the victim.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by nicklada
Ooh yes, I guess Rihanna slapping her vadge on stage every night is an invitation for any guy in the crowd to run up on her and do what he pleases.
Remember, women aren't allowed to be sexy or anything because that basically says "do what you want with me!"
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boy you don't know how badly I wanted to...I went to her show last month and she did it so many times and me being a guy and horny and all...I was ready to rush up to that stage
She has to be careful...my manly natural characteristics almost got the best of me...SHE'S LUCKY
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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Originally posted by Moonage Daydream
You're calling me thick headed, but you keep repeating yourself, contradicting yourself and failing to get the point. 
Rapists don't just target drunk girls. If she was sober, then what? It was her fault for hanging around them? Wearing clothes that made her too tempting And she was also drugged, how was that her fault? There's no "cause and effect" BS, these guys raped because they made the decision to rape her, period. You fail to understand that and insist and holding the victim responsible. |
I'm not contradicting myself AT ALL sweetie,I'm actually making a point.
The girl was at a party,FULL of other people,not just the boys who raped her.Had she been sober she could have LEFT or made sure that someone knew she was being harassed.
She got raped because she was passed out( and couldn't do **** even if she wanted). At least if she was CONSCIOUS she would have had a fighting chance!
and I didn't know much about the story until someone just told me more details. Apparently she was drugged too,so this argument is moot .
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
I'm comparing preventable rape to preventable identity theft.
I shouldn't have to worry about shredding/destroying my bank account details before I throw it in the trash, if someone uses it against my will or robs me blind, it's there fault. I did nothing wrong. Why should I make decisions to prevent it?
Do you see how that doesn't work. You can't expect everyone to be good to you. People shouldn't rape, people shoudn't con, people shouldn't thieve. People shouldn't do a lot of things. But they do. But if you could have taken steps to prevent it, and you dont.....
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Should women in society wear burqas? Should women have bound feet? Should women be lynched for even looking at another man?
These were, and are, continuing actions that are supposed to prevent rape. How do you prevent rape? Do I not leave my household? Why should it be her fault because she was raped? Who cares what she did beforehand?
It is purely and entirely the rapists' fault.
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Who in this thread is actually blaming the victim, out of interest?
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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Originally posted by Jack!
Who in this thread is actually blaming the victim, out of interest?
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Explicitly, nobody. Implicitly, too many people.
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Ya'll are a mess where is the steps for rapists huh? where is their guide on how NOT to rape? **** outta here.
Its a two way street.
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Originally posted by Ties
Should women in society wear burqas? Should women have bound feet? Should women be lynched for even looking at another man?
These were, and are, continuing actions that are supposed to prevent rape. How do you prevent rape? Do I not leave my household? Why should it be her fault because she was raped? Who cares what she did beforehand?
It is purely and entirely the rapists' fault.
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So is murder by a murderer, do you still not take preventive measures against that? ****. 
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Member Since: 3/25/2011
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This girl fell victim. That is a fact. She was a victim of a terrible crime. Serena saying this to a magazine is ****ing stupid and insensitive. Especially how she threw around aspects like virginity which have absolutely nothing to do with the case or what happened.
However, raising women to be cautious and informing them how to avoid danger to the best of their ability is not victim blaming. You cannot raise people not to be rapists, just like you cannot raise them not to be murderers or pathological liars. Evil people do evil things. That is the reality of this world. On the same token, young men should be brought up with understanding of what consent means and how it works. That is crucial.
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Jack!
Who in this thread is actually blaming the victim, out of interest?
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Victim blaming is very often implicit.
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
No, no, no. I'm not subconsciously or consciously putting blame on the victim. I know what I'm saying. I'm not blaming her at all. And I'm sorry if you took the general life lesson comment that way, it's no reason to be sarcastic about it. Do you not lock your house up to avoid it being broke in at night? Are you not careful with knives in the kitchen? I'm not saying women can't go out and have a good time because she might get raped. I just don't see what's wrong with saying you have to be more careful. Would it be bad to tell a child to be more careful outside if they almost got hit by a car in the road? No.
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Erm, no, because if they nearly got hit by a car that would have been an accident? And rape isn't an accident?
And you saying that if she was sober maybe she could have in some universe fought off two high school football players.
You're saying she shouldn't have put herself in that situation. But there is no rape situation. There is no typical rapist. Studies show that men who commit sexual violence come from every economic, ethnic, racial, age and social group. 85% of rapists are men known to their victims. Women shouldn't feel like they have to take precautionary measures such as not getting drunk (which men are never told to do; excessive drinking is instead laddish and cool). Sober women get raped.
The only solution to rape is by stopping people from raping.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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I swear some pople are block headed.
If I was raped because I drunk until couldn't stand anymore and started puking my guts out,then woke up to find myself sore for obvious reasons,I'd be upset and devastated, I'd prosecute whoever raped me,but that would be a lesson learned for me not just "get comfortable"so to speak with just anybody.
Though when I go to parties and mingle,if guys are hitting on me and I say no, yet they still pursue me, I WILL make a huge ass scene,get ghetto fab and extra loud..usually that scares them off.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by I Am Music
Ya'll are a mess where is the steps for rapists huh? where is their guide on how NOT to rape? **** outta here.
Its a two way street.
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No means no dumbass.
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Member Since: 5/18/2011
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
This is another issue for this thread. It's basically going off-topic. I disagree mostly with these kind of posts. There are different types of rape situations. YOU just listed them. It can be a father touching his children. It can be someone getting too drunk and becoming vulnerable to the predator watching. It can be someone being drugged. The child can't defend themselves or "avoid" their father. And they won't tell from fear. A person, or in THIS case, the girl could have been safer as she is older and should know about the dangers she faces in a party situation, where there are drinks and possibly reckless monsters.
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As stated earlier in this thread, I am a victim of rape in a similar fashion as this girl. I was underage drinking, but well aware of my surroundings. I was raped by a football player whom I had considered a friend since elementary school. I was surrounded by friends. It was an intimate setting. We went away to talk and it supposed to be a legitimate talk because his mother had just died and I was trying to be there for him as a FRIEND. He forced himself upon me and whether I had been drinking or not I would not have been able to defend myself because I'm a small female. The only way I would have been able to protect myself from that situation would have been to simply not have gone to the party at all. I had good judgment. I was drinking as was all the other females there. I left to be alone with a guy, but I trusted him and had known him for years.
I'm not promiscuous. In high school I was a straight A honor student and had only had consensual sex with one guy. I never got in trouble. There was never an open invitation for him to take something that rightfully belongs to me.
I used molestation as a loaded argument because I too am a victim of molestation as well to make the point that it's never the victim's fault I don't care what the situation is.
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
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Originally posted by Eaten By Lions
You cannot raise people not to be rapists
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You don't really 'get' rape culture do you?
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