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News: Time: Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture
Member Since: 5/14/2011
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Originally posted by bey0nce
I've never understood why some black people are so defensive about "white people" taking "their culture". White people (as are black people) are allowed to twerk, enjoy hip-hop, talk however they want, dress however they want and express themselves however they want without "stealing black culture!!11"
It's 2014, stop playing the victim all the time
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Please refer to:
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Originally posted by Auraeolux
The the characteristics of the Black female stereotype are not celebrated, they were mocked. When white gays adopted those characteristics they were celebrated . Obviously there are exceptions everywhere, but the general perception of the public is important.
The problem is that it took a White Gay Male to make a Black Females "scars" look beautiful.. That's why people of color get angry about appropriation.
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Also, your last sentence . Stop living in a bubble and read about situations that you are not familiar with.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by I Am Music
It's 2014 stop portraying a stereotypical caricature.
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Boop. You got to it before I did.
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
But not the point of the article.
"cannot hide their blackness and womanhood to protect themselves the way that you can hide your homosexuality"
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This CERTAINLY isn't the point of the article.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
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I'm just wondering aren't there better battles to be fought than "white gays need to stop *being black*"
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Member Since: 3/3/2012
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Originally posted by bey0nce
I've never understood why some black people are so defensive about "white people" taking "their culture". White people (as are black people) are allowed to twerk, enjoy hip-hop, talk however they want, dress however they want and express themselves however they want without "stealing black culture!!11"
It's 2014, stop playing the victim all the time
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But what about this though?
When white people do too much
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Member Since: 11/15/2011
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
But not the point of the article.
"cannot hide their blackness and womanhood to protect themselves the way that you can hide your homosexuality"
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Exactly what I was referring to. It seems like she is the one arguing over who faces more struggles.
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Stupid ass article
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Member Since: 11/22/2010
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Ya. When people start comparing apples to oranges, you know the conversation is dead. So I'm out. ddd
In leaving I will say that, in the grand scheme of things, adopting lingo isn't a big deal. It's the stuff like saying "I'm an independent, strong black woman" or glamorizing being "ratchet" that's the problem. It's a caricature of what it really is to be a black woman in America. It rides on stereotypes and is, in my estimation, the new manifestation of "black face".
When you have to use the black identity to paint yourself as wild and wreckless with "twerking", "ratchet", "ghetto" etc., you're doing that whole race a disservice.
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Flawless post.
The discussion can end here.
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Originally posted by BoyOnBoy Wonder
Jesus Christo
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Stop replying to my comments with no arguments. Thanks.
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Member Since: 6/9/2012
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Social Justice warriors: Stop associating being ghetto and ratchet and twerking with being black
Social Justice warriors: Stop stealing our culture. That's ours to not do and yours to stay away from. Segregation is key to equality!
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Giselle
This CERTAINLY isn't the point of the article.
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Not me entering this thread not liking the article, and then anti-article side arguing so badly so it makes me switch sides.
(To clarify though, I did agree with aspects of the article in the beginning.)
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I forgot about that messy ass tweet
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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no.
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Member Since: 12/21/2010
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Originally posted by Su-Barbie-A
But what about this though?
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It's 2014! Stop playing the victim!
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Guernica
Stop acting naive. Are all black women ratchet or ghetto? No. But in todays society those types of things are 100% associated with black women/black community in general, and it would be moronic for somebody to sit here and pretend like they're not.
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Well I'm genuinely confused by the article, so naive I am.
Everyone has certain traits and personalities. So for this woman to say and essentially claim traits, is confusing to me. Reading through some of this thread is kind of helping me not get confused as the people here are speaking more brightly and clearly then the woman in that article.
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Both a racist and homophobic mess Disappointed in Tims
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
What is acting white? No one is mad at them for "acting black" they're mad that they think it's cute to mockingly emulate black women and the woman's point is that it's aggravating her because they'll never have to face the struggles black people, women, or black women do.
It's like if a straight men started walking around dressed in pink shorts flicking their wrists and lisping as a joke and all thought it was so funny, then when gays did it they made fun of them and degraded them while the straights didn't face any homophobia but the gays did.
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Um, the problem is that the so-called mocking isn't based purely on how black women behave - it's an overlap of gay slang and the perceived "fierceness" of black women that has been inherent in American culture for a long time now. Not only that, but how is it the fault of gay white people that they won't have to go through the struggles black people face? Did they ASK their mothers and fathers to make sure they popped out with a pale shade? Oh, let me just decide I'm going to talk to people in a different manner then get mad when other people pick it up, because they weren't born the same color I was.
What kind of backhanded racist MESS?
And the problem is white gay males aren't going around "acting like black women" as a joke. It's not a joke - this is how they are choosing to express themselves. Aside from that, the behaviors themselves are not exclusive - black women have borrowed terms from gay males, gay males have borrowed terms from black women. This whole piece is based on the perception that black women are inherently "fierce" - a notion which in itself is racist. Are gays not allowed to be as fierce now? Is "fierceness" now the exclusive attribute by which we hold black women?
I'm not saying gay white males aren't racist. Bitch, we all been on their Grindr profiles. But this behavior itself is not racist, nor is it offensive. For a lot of the gay white males you speak of, this isn't a "persona", this is the way they are. Now, you want to tell them to stop being a certain way because another group already has a monopoly on it?
PLEASE.
Also: don't let me start on the whole "acting white" prospect. You know once a black man starts talking in an articulate manner, wearing a suit and acting formal, they are levied with the charge by the black community that they have "turned white". White people start treating them better because they have shed the "lesser" mannerisms of black culture. This is what is termed as "acting white" and it's wrong as hell, because just because I'm intelligent and want to look more professional, it doesn't mean I'm forsaking my racial identity.
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Member Since: 11/15/2011
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Originally posted by Giselle
This CERTAINLY isn't the point of the article.
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But that is ONE of her points.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by konaa
It's so embarrassing watching you all argue against this brilliantly written article that you obviously didn't read.
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Please explain and share your thoughts...
Not being funny I seriously want to know
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Originally posted by Obsession
As a black LGBT member, I have to wonder why is it a source of contention when white gay males are inspired by black women (an inspiration which goes both ways) but when a black male or female acts white, it's the sign of an ambitious black person?
The racism in this way of thinking is inherent. We live in a society where it's okay for black people to act white and not for white people to act black. It shouldn't be about "acting", we're all people - we're all allowed to act however we want. Saying similar things is NOT cultural appropriation, you cannot trademark slang. Is it cultural appropriation if I start speaking Spanish tomorrow? Tell this bitch to take several seats, she is just trying to seem intellectual and she is failing hard.
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This post is completely off base. Starting at "acting white" (whatever that is), comparing learning another language to adopting black american female mannerisms as "camp" and comical, and calling the writer a bitch.
I do hope you realize that the fact that you and many other Black Americans subconsciously believe that by speaking proper english and not having obvious stereotypical black american mannerisms means that you're "Acting White",
is a remnant of the problem at hand.
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