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Discussion: Is the BTW era losing momentum?
Member Since: 6/16/2009
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and MTN will be a single, it was suppoused to be the third and she always gets her way
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Member Since: 6/14/2007
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I don't think is over or what did you expect? she did continue doing great.
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Originally posted by -Lewymocha-
Gurl.... it's as over as the Goodbye Lullaby era
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Member Since: 6/13/2010
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Like many have mentioned, releasing Judas is where her momentum started to fade. Sure, she is still having moderate success and is consistent with sales (especially album sales worldwide), but it doesn't compare to TF/TFM era. Then again, her next era can be excellent and successful. I see Born This Way era as a moderate success. You can't go up without going down, which is what I expect for the next era (to be a success like TF/TFM if she plays her cards right).
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Member Since: 10/13/2010
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I called it the album of the decade There are so many better albums released this year
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Member Since: 8/26/2011
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I don't think it's losing momentum. It's definitely not doing well compared to The Fame. I think everyone had high expectations (Gaga included) for it and, well, the sales reflect otherwise. No shade. She's GAGA and she's not going anywhere.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Of course. This era, like most of the pop girl's eras this past year, had a TON of potential. She probably had even more potential than any of the other girls did with this era. But it's been losing its momentum since Judas and it almost feels as if it's been lost, to be honest.
I think if she released Scheisse and Marry the Night she'd be able to reinvigorate the era quite a bit. But either way, the era has lost momentum it won't be able to gain back.
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Member Since: 6/30/2010
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Originally posted by DRjuss06
umm she has sold over 5 million albums worldwide, the biggest one week opening of the year, 1.7 in the united states, so dont be comparing AVRIL's FLOPERA to this masterpiece.
Yes she hasnt sold as much as expected but c'mon after a whole year and 5 multiplatinum singles not even Katy can sell as much, sorry boo boo
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Where's the comparison? He pretty much just said both eras were over, not that they ended at the same time, or had similar levels of success.
To answer the question: Yes. It started right after Judas though. You & I did little to change it.
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Member Since: 4/11/2011
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Yes, They need to release booty poppin' singles. Or they gonna have to cut there check , and bring back old gaga (The Fame Gaga).
*Plays "Pokerface" skips to "Fame" *
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Member Since: 9/12/2011
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It's like Gaga wants to kill her own career by releasing these bad singles, just ****ing release Scheisse & Marry The Night the obvious singles.
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Member Since: 4/24/2011
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i think MTN / Scheisse / Hair could really save this era.
Please, just release any of them next. no HML.
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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The hype preceeding this album release was immense. So immense that you kind of suspected right off the bat that it wasn't going to live up to it. At least I did. Nevertheless, the built-up hype created the perfect springboard to launch the album into pop music's stratosphere, but...
I have the impression that this entire era has been a bit... desperate. I find myself grasping at straws to justify this album, or finding a part in each song that gives me an excuse to like the song at all. But to be honest, I think half of the tracks are an abomination that should have seen nothing but the bottom of Fernando's MacBook Pro trash can.
MTN, I really don't get the hype. At all. It has a messy production and no flow, and to be quite frank she sounds like a dying cat in it. I don't understand why stans insist this can be the saving single of the album, I'd change radio stations.
Hair, the lyrics are too adolescent to appeal to a big, varied audience and it is by no extent of the imagination a club song. The only demographic it could possibly appeal to is the teen one in which, I think, she is already sufficiently cemented.
As for when this era lost momentum, I think it started with the release of BTW the single. The Madonna comparisons were fatal imo. The fact that EXPRESS YOURSELF trended on the day it released to radio made me cringe and that's all I heard anyone talk about for weeks. Add the leak and rush-release of Judas, a touchy and risky single in terms of content and religious connotation, around Easter to boot, along with that choppy and desperate video. Yeah.
The latest part of the era, TEOG and Y&I...a negligible improvement at best. TEOG is a great song, but its release was desperate. Released as a promo single that accidentally skyrocketed. I know there was no other choice but to grasp onto that success, but it just seems desperate to do so after the indisputable flop that was Judas. I would have done the same thing, but still, it taints the single imo. The video killed the song, I've yet to watch it from beginning to end. Y&I was a horrible follow-up to TEOG but a good single choice overall. The cross-over appeal is invaluable, I'm seeing people all over FB raving about the song, people I would have never expected. The video was awesome too.
Basically, if I had to attribute the state of this era to anything, I'd have to attribute it bad marketing. In order to have sustainable success you have to choose a target market and cater to its needs, not create something and hope people will flock to it. She's got the whole thing backwards. JD + PF cemented her in the dance/pop genre. She did it and she did it well. This whole change of pace turned everyone off. Don't get me wrong, she's a good artist and she can enjoy modest success in other genres. but she's forgotten what it is that she does well.
My recommendation for this era? HML. That song has an effect on everyone that hears it. Dark, sexy, dangerous, perfect. After that a short tour to cash in on the success she's had from TF+TFM in Latin America&Asia followed by a ****ing break and a new album. If she comes back strong, people will look back on this era as an experimental one and write it off as a mediocre artistic endeavor.
That's how I see it.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by Patri
The hype preceeding this album release was immense. So immense that you kind of suspected right off the bat that it wasn't going to live up to it. At least I did. Nevertheless, the built-up hype created the perfect springboard to launch the album into pop music's stratosphere, but...
I have the impression that this entire era has been a bit... desperate. I find myself grasping at straws to justify this album, or finding a part in each song that gives me an excuse to like the song at all. But to be honest, I think half of the tracks are an abomination that should have seen nothing but the bottom of Fernando's MacBook Pro trash can.
MTN, I really don't get the hype. At all. It has a messy production and no flow, and to be quite frank she sounds like a dying cat in it. I don't understand why stans insist this can be the saving single of the album, I'd change radio stations.
Hair, the lyrics are too adolescent to appeal to a big, varied audience and it is by no extent of the imagination a club song. The only demographic it could possibly appeal to is the teen one in which, I think, she is already sufficiently cemented.
As for when this era lost momentum, I think it started with the release of BTW the single. The Madonna comparisons were fatal imo. The fact that EXPRESS YOURSELF trended on the day it released to radio made me cringe and that's all I heard anyone talk about for weeks. Add the leak and rush-release of Judas, a touchy and risky single in terms of content and religious connotation, around Easter to boot, along with that choppy and desperate video. Yeah.
The latest part of the era, TEOG and Y&I...a negligible improvement at best. TEOG is a great song, but its release was desperate. Released as a promo single that accidentally skyrocketed. I know there was no other choice but to grasp onto that success, but it just seems desperate to do so after the indisputable flop that was Judas. I would have done the same thing, but still, it taints the single imo. The video killed the song, I've yet to watch it from beginning to end. Y&I was a horrible follow-up to TEOG but a good single choice overall. The cross-over appeal is invaluable, I'm seeing people all over FB raving about the song, people I would have never expected. The video was awesome too.
Basically, if I had to attribute the state of this era to anything, I'd have to attribute it bad marketing. In order to have sustainable success you have to choose a target market and cater to its needs, not create something and hope people will flock to it. She's got the whole thing backwards. JD + PF cemented her in the dance/pop genre. She did it and she did it well. This whole change of pace turned everyone off. Don't get me wrong, she's a good artist and she can enjoy modest success in other genres. but she's forgotten what it is that she does well.
My recommendation for this era? HML. That song has an effect on everyone that hears it. Dark, sexy, dangerous, perfect. After that a short tour to cash in on the success she's had from TF+TFM in Latin America&Asia followed by a ****ing break and a new album. If she comes back strong, people will look back on this era as an experimental one and write it off as a mediocre artistic endeavor.
That's how I see it.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
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Originally posted by DRjuss06
umm she has sold over 5 million albums worldwide, the biggest one week opening of the year, 1.7 in the united states, so dont be comparing AVRIL's FLOPERA to this masterpiece.
Yes she hasnt sold as much as expected but c'mon after a whole year and 5 multiplatinum singles not even Katy can sell as much, sorry boo boo
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5M sold doesn't mean the era isn't over or losing momentum. And why do you bring up Katy's sales? Do you have to compare her to whoever is not being as succesful as her to make her look bigger?
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Member Since: 8/31/2011
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Am I the only one crossing my fingers for "americano"? Haha
but to answer the question: yes
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Member Since: 10/29/2010
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I see "Marry the Night" doing well. Why do ppl want Scheibe to be released... #eeew
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Member Since: 3/13/2011
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I said before that Gaga was in for a decline. She was on top of the world for too long for it to last forever. BTW the album and the song were going to be hits simply because of the immense good will she gained from TF/TFM era's it could have been complete garbage and it still would have been #1 for weeks because radio was behind her 150% and the general public was interested in seeing what she was coming back with.
I notice that a lot of her fans are clinging to her 5 million albums sold worldwide and I will never begrudge them a solid figure such as that in such a dead sales period (only two albums in the US have sold upward of 700k this year, and only a handful of albums have crossed the 1 million mark globally) but I do want to point out how much she has lost since her last era. TF/TFM sold 14 million albums worldwide compared to her 5 million total of BTW (that's a drop of nearly 70% in sales just from one era to the next), that's not all though each and everyone of her singles from her last era has out performed her most recent single releases from this era in terms of total sales and longevity. While they might not have peaked that much higher even the lesser singles like Love Game, Alejandro and Paprazzi have outsold Gaga's second biggest hit of the era Edge Of Glory.
Even the biggest hit of the era BTW hasn't been able to compete with her biggest hits like JD, PF and BR and likely will never be able to catch up with them in terms of longevity and sales totals. Add with it all of the promo she has had and everything else and I think she isn't doing as well as some may like to believe.
Yes she is doing better the contemporaries like Katy and Rihanna but it wouldn't surprise me at all if she currently finds herself in a similar situation as them down the line. Katy's and Rihanna have sold 4 and 6 million globally respectively that's not that far off Gaga's 5 million mark. Gaga is probably looking at around 7-8 million when all is done perhaps? Outside possibilities of 9 million but not 10 million IMO.
BTW is coasting heavily on her past era and past fans, just like 4 is with IASF and Femme Fatale with Circus. I think the true test of Gaga will come from her third album and I have a feeling we may be in for another stiff drop off because BTW is an inflated era in many ways. I also think it's distressing on how much radio has kind of left her in the wind specifically pop her core format. There was once a time when Gaga could release anything and manage to get a #1 hit (LoveGame anyone?). Now it's like she has to prove herself to be worthy for a top ten. Radio let Judas twist in the wind and You and I is also seemingly getting the shaft after it hit the top 15.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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People is very fool , she had an amazing success because of the re-release TF , you are all feeling that her new album + singles are flops but they are not. She scored #6 with Paparazzi , and now she scored it with Yoü and I , and TEOG is near to hit 2,000,000 singles sold and got stuck in that position 2 months. Born This Way hit #1 and has sold 3,200,000 , one of her most successful singles EVER. Born This Way is still selling 80K per week WORLDWIDE. If she keeps selling that much , she will reach what she had achieved with TF WW. Plus you all see US like it's the center of the world , and it's not . Judas is her biggest flop compared to all of her singles but it's still an great song and will be always remembered by Gaga and non Gaga fans and the video is amazing. IMO Born This Way is an amazing album , it's her best , but it doesn't have huge commercial/radio songs , and that's why people is disappointed. Just don't say that she killed her career with BTW era because Scheisse and Marry The Night are not released as singles yet + Her BTW Tour will be HUGE.
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Member Since: 8/18/2011
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If you want an answer of why Gaga is not having the same success as in her past eras, the answer is simple. She dared to do something different. She did not remake The Fame (one of the worst albums; I hated her in that era) just to be successful. She earned a lot of respect from me by doing that. The songs from BTW are not radio or commercially friendly. Scheisse needs a radio edit to remove the German gibberish of the beginning. MTN, Yoü and I and TEOG are too long. The rest of the songs are simply too weird for radio.
But, not radio and commercially friendly songs =/= bad songs.
I find it kind of sad that many fans just want from her to do dance music with meaningless lyrics. That's the perfect description of TF as an album. Is that really all what you are looking for in artist? I really don't understand how can someone really say that:
TF>>>BTW. That's just .
You know there might be a reason why BTW has more critical acclaim from prefessional critics than TF right?
And tbqh, I thought the album sales were going to be smaller as soon as I listened to the album. I thought it was a very good album and a great improvement from her previous work, but it was just so different that I expected a lot of rejection from the general public. Guess I was right, but at least many of her fans like the album. I honestly thought they were also gonna reject it. So I think it's doing better than I expected considering how commercial the songs are.
If she remakes the TF for her next album, I will be very disappointed with her.
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Member Since: 8/18/2011
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Originally posted by ElectricFrancis
People is very fool , she had an amazing success because of the re-release TF , you are all feeling that her new album + singles are flops but they are not. She scored #6 with Paparazzi , and now she scored it with Yoü and I , and TEOG is near to hit 2,000,000 singles sold and got stuck in that position 2 months. Born This Way hit #1 and has sold 3,200,000 , one of her most successful singles EVER. Born This Way is still selling 80K per week WORLDWIDE. If she keeps selling that much , she will reach what she had achieved with TF WW. Plus you all see US like it's the center of the world , and it's not . Judas is her biggest flop compared to all of her singles but it's still an great song and will be always remembered by Gaga and non Gaga fans and the video is amazing. IMO Born This Way is an amazing album , it's her best , but it doesn't have huge commercial/radio songs , and that's why people is disappointed. Just don't say that she killed her career with BTW era because Scheisse and Marry The Night are not released as singles yet + Her BTW Tour will be HUGE.
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Glad to see someone agrees with me .
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Member Since: 10/14/2010
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No.. We still have Marry the Night and Scheisse
But this messy is messy. Especially Judas and the TEOG era.
TEOG is an amazing song, possibly her best song to date.
But it was ruined by the video
But this era will be "saved" when she releases MTN and Scheisse imo
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