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has this site been going very slow past 20 minutes? or is it just me?
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Originally posted by Vision
2) that's not discrimination, atrl is a privately owned business, in which you all agree to our terms and conditions upon registering.
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You can use that same analogy for cake shops denying gay customers. They'd probably tell you "our cake shop is a privately owned business, in which you all agree to our rules upon entering, and our rules state are that gay people are not allowed to buy cakes here." What you're saying here isn't any different from that. Unfairly denying a group of people their right to use a service, despite them not doing anything wrong, that's called discrimination, whether you'd like to admit that or not. "Well we can do whatever we want" It's your website, fine, but that isn't a good argument at all, and doesn't explain why the rules are the way they are, and it doesn't excuse discrimination. It's like when parents tell you no and the explanation they give you is "Because I said so." And it's frustrating because they refuse to give a logical explanation as to why.
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5) we DO give banned members the opportunity to appeal. We open help requests on their behalf when they tweet us to contest their ban. However we don't allow members to publicly relay messages, as when you're banned, the whole point t is that you're not allowed to post content on the forum.
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The problem is, that could take days or weeks, and they shouldn't have to wait that. Especially when a member can share the banned member's message and get it through much quicker. It would save everyone time. You're not going to give them a voice, or let them share their side of the story? The banned person isn't posting, it's someone who isn't banned and can help share their message, as long as the banned person didn't say anything worth WP it should be fine. If what they said warrants a WP, give the WP to the person who posted it for them. Banned members deserve a voice and shouldn't be publicly shamed, and not able to share their side. Unfair bans happen all the time, don't pretend like moderation is perfect, because it isn't. Allowing this would helps the public know something went wrong, and helps eliminate the cases when the mods are being unfair or biased. Everyone benefits from this, and everyone's happy. Also, we all know that the ATRL-O-Matic can and does make mistakes. Imagine if America didn't let criminals go to court, innocent people would be stuck in jail for life, and everyone would be outraged.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Originally posted by Rose Mulet
You can use that same analogy for cake shops denying gay customers. They'd probably tell you "our cake shop is a privately owned business, in which you all agree to our rules upon entering, and our rules state are that gay people are not allowed to buy cakes here." What you're saying here isn't any different from that. Unfairly denying a group of people their right to use a service, despite them not doing anything wrong, that's called discrimination, whether you'd like to admit that or not. "Well we can do whatever we want" It's your website, fine, but that isn't a good argument at all, and doesn't explain why the rules are the way they are, and it doesn't excuse discrimination. It's like when parents tell you no and the explanation they give you is "Because I said so." And it's frustrating because they refuse to give a logical explanation as to why.
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That example you gave is hardly similar to us not allowing avis of **** actors. Atrl is a place for discussion of pop music, pop culture, films etc. NOT a place for talking about sex; therefore us not allowing those kind of avis is not discriminating against anyone. If you don't like this then I suggest you leave atrl.
As other moderators have said, this discussion has been talked about enough and we suggest you let it go
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by Rose Mulet
You can use that same analogy for cake shops denying gay customers. They'd probably tell you "our cake shop is a privately owned business, in which you all agree to our rules upon entering, and our rules state are that gay people are not allowed to buy cakes here." What you're saying here isn't any different from that. Unfairly denying a group of people their right to use a service, despite them not doing anything wrong, that's called discrimination, whether you'd like to admit that or not. "Well we can do whatever we want" It's your website, fine, but that isn't a good argument at all, and doesn't explain why the rules are the way they are, and it doesn't excuse discrimination. It's like when parents tell you no and the explanation they give you is "Because I said so." And it's frustrating because they refuse to give a logical explanation as to why.
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This is a ridiculous analogy because ATRL does not in any way deny you services based on your gender identity or sexual orientation. You give your implicit agreement to follow the rules of this site when you signed up. There's no discrimination to be found here because the rules are designed to keep this site in order without the vulgar/explicit content.
More importantly, the rules are set the way they are because the ad providers require content to be free of certain vulgar nature. And because ATRLers in general don't actually care enough to support this site financially, it's necessary to have the ads provide the revenue needed to keep this site running. The expenses that this site generates is too much for the owner to run off his own money alone.
I don't see your point. Especially since there's no malicious intent in disallowing certain kinds of content and when said individuals aren't really aware of this site, why bother arguing the devil's advocate when the rules apply to everyone equally?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Poe Dameron
That example you gave is hardly similar to us not allowing avis of **** actors. Atrl is a place for discussion of pop music, pop culture, films etc. NOT a place for talking about sex; therefore us not allowing those kind of avis is not discriminating against anyone. If you don't like this then I suggest you leave atrl.
As other moderators have said, this discussion has been talked about enough and we suggest you let it go
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What I'm trying to say is that they're just people too. And pictures of their faces aren't going to cause any problems here, the only reason they do is because you specifically bring attention to them. You need to understand that a person's face is not going to cause an off topic discussion about things not meant for ATRL, and if they do, then they can be reported. Faces are not ***ual content. That's what I'm trying to say.
What I'm trying to say is, let's say you found out an ATRL member was an **** actor, and their profile picture was just an innocent selfie of their face, despite this member not causing any problems on the website, would you ban them? If so, then this perfectly fits the example for discrimination.
And I don't like being told I can't have an opinion or a voice, when that's the purpose of this thread in the first place. But this'll be my last post about it here if you wish.
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Here you can:
– Discuss and ask questions about ATRL's rules
– Discuss changes to ATRL or suggest new changes
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Is Troye the new acting-mod?
I like him though.
The swift replies.
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Send a help request. You can't complain about points in HQ.
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Member Since: 5/15/2010
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Send a help request. You can't complain about points in HQ. |
How? 
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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Who the **** is Troye? A mod or just another ass kisser to become a mod someday?
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Thanks, bb. 
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Citrus
Love freedom of expression and the urge to educate others but can we stop letting the anti-Islam flamebait threads in the Lounge get to more than 2 pages? Basically if Abyssy is making a thread about anything but veganism y'all should double check it tbh.
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Bye, the nerve. My thread was a news article and actually Islam deserves its criticism along with the rest of the Abrahamic religions, they've been running rampant for centuries. It's about time people woke up and started to question them.
This mentality that you can't disagree with religion is nonsense, especially ones that are bigoted and oppressive. The Lounge is for a all types of discussions. And actually a lot of my vegan threads get reported/closed too, a kii! .
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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I think a member is back tracking through all my posts and reporting them but I think this member is a dupe of someone who I know definitely doesn't like me, do I send this in two different help requests are should I send it in one?
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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@Kxvk: Send in one help request with the details.
Edit: Edited out my response out of respect.
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 8/1/2012
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Stop trying to cause an argument in here, Troye.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 2/6/2014
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Troye literally didn't do anything tho. 
The fact that people are coming for him when he's more helpful than 90% of the mods.
Comical.
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by Poe Dameron
Stop trying to cause an argument in here, Troye.
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Gotcha. Edited my post by the way.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Mess Troye didn't even do anything?
Let the good sis help out.
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Member Since: 11/7/2011
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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So abrasive.  Let the good sis Troye breathe. I agree with Click Clack.
Anyway. Mods, has Athens said anything about the final transition? 
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