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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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Originally posted by Benzene
Black millennials don't vote anyway. They retweet, share on Facebook, and post crying Jordan memes. The black vote turns on middle-aged black women, and they will absolutely vote.
The whole millennial thing is overrated. If they were THAT influential Bernie wouldn't have gotten spanked.
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You may be right though. We'll wait and see.
One thing we can all agree on is that Hispanics have been an absolute disappointment this election cycle (thanks for nothing, and thank GOD she didn't waste her VP slot with the Castros and Beccera's of the world)
Trump called them rapists/murderers and they're still giving him 20-25% of their vote. 
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Politico is the pits. I hate them
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Actually, Hillary's biggest voting group is the millennials. I'm assuming the ones who have a clue on politics.
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I don't get how you can generalize such a wide category of the population, especially since white people are the ethnicity with the most variance in their vote, unlike minorities.
IIRC, HRC struggles only with +40 and less educated white voters. That's not the whole basket of white voters.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Damien M
Nah, White people are too unpredictable (and untrustworthy) to 'cede' any swing states this early in advance. Who knows what they'll do in the voting booth, esp now that the media has already declared Trump the winner of the first debate and it's not eve happened yet. Lord
PA will definitely stay blue but Wisconsin might flip. NV looks tricky as well. FL could go either way. |
My money would be in PA/NV going blue. WI can get tricky with those voter ID laws...
Not going to bother predicting FL, always a mess.
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NH may go red b4 Wisconsin. Maine District 2 may go red, but apparently Nebraska District 2 is going blue for Hillary. Virginia, North Carolina, Penn, Colorado WILL go blue. Bookmark me. So Trump could get Iowa, Ohio, and Florida and it still wouldn't make a difference. She's in a much better place.
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I'm not worried about Wisconsin because Trump got demolished there in the primaries. It is the one state that unequivocally said, "No, ma'am" even when his victory was inevitable.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Actually, Hillary's biggest voting group is the millennials. I'm assuming the ones who have a clue on politics.
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The bedrock of Dem support is and has always been non-white voters. Hell, Romney won white under-30s...Obama only won under-30s overall because he CRUSHED Romney among non-white under-30s.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Damien M
Nah, White people are too unpredictable (and untrustworthy) to 'cede' any swing states this early in advance. Who knows what they'll do in the voting booth, esp now that the media has already declared Trump the winner of the first debate and it's not eve happened yet. Lord
PA will definitely stay blue but Wisconsin might flip. NV looks tricky as well. FL could go either way.
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I agree tbh.
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Originally posted by King Maxx
NH may go red b4 Wisconsin. Maine District 2 may go red, but apparently Nebraska District 2 is going blue for Hillary. Virginia, North Carolina, Penn, Colorado WILL go blue. Bookmark me. So Trump could get Iowa, Ohio, and Florida and it still wouldn't make a difference. She's in a much better place.
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I agree with all of this.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Damien M
You may be right though. We'll wait and see.
One thing we can all agree on is that Hispanics have been an absolute disappointment this election cycle (thanks for nothing, and thank GOD she didn't waste her VP slot with the Castros and Beccera's of the world)
Trump called them rapists/murderers and they're still giving him 20-25% of their vote. |
Well it's understandable because a lot of Hispanics are white...their last names might be Garcia but they know Trump ain't talking about them.
But agreed on the VP thing.  Look at the way Kaine just completely took VA off the table. 
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Benzene
My money would be in PA/NV going blue. WI can get tricky with those voter ID laws...
Not going to bother predicting FL, always a mess.
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She's been doing consistently great in PA, which is legit shocking seeing how the state is tailor made for Trump.
I think Iowa is gone, but that's fine.
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Originally posted by @michael
I'm not worried about Wisconsin because Trump got demolished there in the primaries. It is the one state that unequivocally said, "No, ma'am" even when his victory was inevitable.
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Republicans know how to fall in line though...those Never Trumpers will all get behind him in the end.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Benzene
Well it's understandable because a lot of Hispanics are white...their last names might be Garcia but they know Trump ain't talking about them.
But agreed on the VP thing. Look at the way Kaine just completely took VA off the table. |
I'm glad we don't have to worry about Virginia too much this year 
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Originally posted by Sirnight
I don't get how you can generalize such a wide category of the population, especially since white people are the ethnicity with the most variance in their vote, unlike minorities.
IIRC, HRC struggles only with +40 and less educated white voters. That's not the whole basket of white voters.
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I would love to be wrong about white voters but based on recent events I feel justified not trusting them.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Benzene
The bedrock of Dem support is and has always been non-white voters. Hell, Romney won white under-30s...Obama only won under-30s overall because he CRUSHED Romney among non-white under-30s.
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Yes but this is the first time a candidate is as pro-white as Trump. It's no surprise he's crushing Hillary among whites. Also, republicans haven't done better than dems with POC for decades but Trump is polling at historic lows with them. As I said, this election is definitely a first. You could compare it to Reagan but even that is a stretch.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Benzene
Well it's understandable because a lot of Hispanics are white...their last names might be Garcia but they know Trump ain't talking about them.
But agreed on the VP thing. Look at the way Kaine just completely took VA off the table. |
Yea I hated the Kaine pick at the beginning but now I admit it was a brilliant choice. VA isn't even up for discussion
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
Yes but this is the first time a candidate is as pro-white as Trump. It's no surprise he's crushing Hillary among whites. Also, republicans haven't done better than dems with POC for decades but Trump is polling at historic lows with them. As I said, this election is definitely a first. You could compare it to Reagan but even that is a stretch.
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One thing I never understand is the hate White America has for Hillary Clinton. Do they realize she's kind of like, a very very white woman?
You'd think she was married to a black man by how strongly they dislike her
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Damien M
She's been doing consistently great in PA, which is legit shocking seeing how the state is tailor made for Trump.
I think Iowa is gone, but that's fine.
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Apparently she's doing terrible in rural areas, but she's running well in the urban areas of Philly for example.
And it's not really hard. PA is simply more liberal than other states in that area. Like Upstate NY is more rural, but the state is just so liberal, even in some of those rural counties.
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Bush was at 44% with latinos and 13% with AA. Trump is polling at 15% with latinos and 2% with AA although both communities have grown significantly since 2004.
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