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Discussion: What's your stance on...? #46: Organ Donation
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Why the **** is it your business? Or more specifically, anyone's business but hers?
I'd rather her get an abortion then carry the baby for nine months. If she wasn't responsible enough to not get pregnant, who knows how many stupid choices she could make during pregnancy? And then to put another baby into either an unwanted home, or worse, the ****ing foster/adoption system in this country? Yeah, I don't think so.
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This.
This. This.
This. This. This.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
But how does having an abortion "take away" someones chance? It's not like they're losing anything, they're not aware they're "alive."
Hell, they don't really achieve or sort of sentient, independent thought until I believe the third trimester. You're arguing semantics and "oh my god you're killing the baby," and completely ignoring the science of the thing. You're twisting the argument to make it sound like people are killing babies, and making yourself look pretty uninformed on the concept of pregnancy, honestly.
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Regardless of whether the baby can think or not, it is still taking away a chance at life because it will still grow into a human baby whether you want to ignore that fact or not. It's like saying "Lets just kill it now, while we have the chance because it can't comprehend what is happening, so it's ok."
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Regardless of whether the baby can think or not, it is still taking away a chance at life because it will still grow into a human baby whether you want to ignore that fact or not. It's like saying "Lets just kill it now, while we have the chance because it can't comprehend what is happening, so it's ok."
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Yeah, I'd say having an abortion in the first trimester is quite a bit better than killing a child after it's born. I don't know why you're trying to make that sound like an unreasonable sentiment, but it's not working.
And again, you're a man. You don't have a uterus. You will never be pregnant. Let the people who actually do get pregnant decide.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
Yeah, I'd say having an abortion in the first trimester is quite a bit better than killing a child after it's born. I don't know why you're trying to make that sound like an unreasonable sentiment, but it's not working.
And again, you're a man. You don't have a uterus. You will never be pregnant. Let the people who actually do get pregnant decide.
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Well our opinions won't change so this has become a stalemate.
Thanks for your opinion on this topic though. 
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Member Since: 3/30/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
The father has some business in it of course, but men as a whole should not be legislating the issue because they literally have no idea what pregnancy feels like.
Pregnancy isn't just "Aw, bummer, I've gotta carry this baby around for a few months and then pop it out, no big deal," it's way more than that.
I'm coming from a moral standpoint too, buddy. I think a woman's right to decide what to do with her body is morally much more important than the right of a parasitic bunch of cells to eventually develop into a baby.
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But abortions take place after the embryonic stem cells have developed into a fetus as far as I'm aware. This isn't about a woman choosing to get a breast reduction, it is about another living thing. I don't know the earliest you can abort a baby, but if you have to, do it as early as possible.
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But seriously though, why would you not take a morning after pill? 
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Originally posted by Thisisit
But seriously though, why would you not take a morning after pill? |
You might not know it happened until it's too late. Excessive alcohol can cause memory blackouts, for example.
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This topic is so beat to death. Even in my college sexuality class this week there was a debate. Lol
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Pro-choice. I'm a nurse, and I can tell you that not everyone is meant to have kids.. 
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Originally posted by Nyx
Pro-choice. I'm a nurse, and I can tell you that not everyone is meant to have kids.. |
Agree somewhat with this statement.
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Pro-choice all the way. And I'm sorry, but punishing a woman for being irresponsible by forcing her to bear an unwanted child hurts the child the process... so there goes your theory that you're protecting a human life.
Not to mention that using the excuse that an aborted fetus is a possible future doctor, president, etc. is a dangerous slippery slope. Children conceived from rape and those who could survive high-risk pregnancies that would kill their mothers are also possible future innovators. Is it really ethical to put the woman through physical and psychological hell just for this reason? Seriously if you're that concerned for human life, try to put the existing human's needs first.
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I really can't pick a side.
On one side I think its wrong to kill the baby, even though its technically a "fetus". Sure it may not know its being killed, but the person knows what they are doing. I don't think a dumb 16 year old bitch who got knocked up should be able to decide the fate of the life forming and growing inside of her. I mean this hoe probably can't even decide who got her pregnant, let alone the fate of a life. I don't buy into the whole "a woman should be able to control her body" when the life inside her is a separate being, and the woman can terminate it.
But then again it may be more harm then good for said 16 year old bitch to have a baby, and **** it's life over.
So the question basically is would you rather end a growing life or give birth to one and **** its future up?
Should the mother be able to have a right to her own body, or have the right to kill a separate, unique life forming inside of her?
Abortion is the new religion debate. There will never be an answer, I believe, there are too many factors.
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Originally posted by JC.
(Dont attack me  )
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GEO I remember when you started this legendary thread. 
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Originally posted by BTrisc
GEO I remember when you started this legendary thread.
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Really? 
It was over a year ago. 
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Do you see a nuclear world war with Iran involved as a possibility?
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Yes and I'm very afraid. 
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Originally posted by ắttitudé
Yes and I'm very afraid.
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Write to your congressman then 
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Member Since: 3/20/2011
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Originally posted by TheGeoKing
Write to your congressman then |
Eh, too much work for me. 
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I'm lazy, so I prefer iwalk.
For real, anyone care to update me on what's happening? I haven't been paying much attention to the news lately.
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Ooh! My Daddy and I totally played Risk last weekend. I can so win this question 
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