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Celeb News: M.I.A: Is Beyoncé going to say Muslim Lives Matter?
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Originally posted by Legend ReX
Black people are not born with a book that tells them how to live and treat others. Christians/Muslims are raised and sometimes brainwashed to live a certain way and told how to think. It is NOT even close to the same thing. If you CHOOSE to live by a set of beliefs, then you deserve to be called out for your idiocy (like we do to the Republicans). Black people do not choose to be black. If you truly believe that is the same, then I have a bridge to sell you (and bomb).
The self-loathing of some of you to cling to these 2,000 year old systems of oppression is so, so sad.
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What's weird is how some of these people wanna be taken seriously now when they have a history of trolling and being racist in defense of their fave.
Doesn't feel to be on the receiving end huh? 
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Originally posted by Airhead
You have a voice and a platform... YOU speak up and I'm not talking about that garbage ass music either where people can't understand what you are saying, I'm talking about actually speaking and bringing notice to these issues instead of worrying wtf someone else is doing.
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Not sure, but if she does, it'll probably have a greater positive impact on an international level than whatever MIA has been putting out these days.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by BabyCantYouSee
It's totally not the same, and you know that. I'm not religious but it's annoying how hateful some of these ATRL members can be towards religion and especially Muslims and Islam. Okay, a lot of Muslims are homophonic - that's true...but most of the world is homophobic. I don't see any of these people here trashing them constantly like they do with Muslims.
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The Catholic Church is CONSTANTLY trashed for the Vatican's view of homosexuality... and they're not even that extreme.
How is Islam, a system of beliefs, values, and traditions, any different? It's not an ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, nationality...
People should be free to practice the positive aspects of their religion, but the negative aspects should be ridiculed, ostracized, and eliminated. Nothing changes just because its Islam and we're talking about bigoted Muslims instead of bigoted Christians Let's not get overly sensitive now.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
You can criticize her without the disgusting Islamophobia  Do you people really find that amusing? |
Please do not put words in my mouth. What she said was stupid [well the way it was worded] and I agree w/ only those that are pointing that out from a factual and informed stance.
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Okay and what does this have to do with Middle Eastern people fleeing from the Islamic state, which is killing Muslims too? Do they not deserve human rights because of their religion? 
You can't compare that to the flying spaghetti monster. No one is saying their religion is free of flaws. It's the people we're talking about. |
The argument is if Muslim individuals want outside allies, why aren't they (97%) willing to be allies to the persecuted in their own spaces?
None of this really matters. As technically, #AllLivesMatter, BUT if MIA wants to start prioritizing struggles (and I quote " That's a more interesting question" ), then these are the kinds of can of worms that'll have to be open.
And as someone well versed in debate, the best way to navigate those obstacles is it confront it head on. Not try to weave around the very valid issues with "Islamophobia!!!".
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
You can criticize her without the disgusting Islamophobia Do you people really find that amusing? |
Stop being extra
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The way anybody who brings up anything remotely negative in regards to Islam are painted out to be some horrible person is MESS.
The same gurs be so quick to attack christianity.
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It's really extremely annoying when people see discourse on black issues and try to derail with this bs tit for tat, "but why can't we talk about x/y/z peoples' issues?" -- what is stopping you? Why is it so necessary to take away from whatever attention is put on the causes of one oppressed and disenfranchised group to discuss another? If you feel that Muslims and non-black minorities should have more champions, use your platform. It's not helping anyone sitting and complaining about the next group organizing on their own behalf -- especially when other minorities pretty much ignore those issues until it's time to complain that the black causes get ~too much attention~.  And so what if other black artists have used their platform to discuss issues concerning the black American community in the past? It was just as necessary then as it is now. Girl, sit all the way down.
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Member Since: 4/14/2011
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
The argument is if Muslim individuals want outside allies, why aren't they (97%) willing to be allies to the persecuted in their own spaces?
None of this really matters. As technically, #AllLivesMatter, BUT if MIA wants to start prioritizing struggles (and I quote "That's a more interesting question" ), then these are the kinds of can of worms that'll have to be open.
And as someone well versed in debate, the best way to navigate those obstacles is it confront it head on. Not try to weave around the very valid issues with "Islamophobia!!!".
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Again, we are lumping all Muslims together as if they're a single entity. M.I.A. is referring to the refugee crisis. With the state of things at the moment, do you really think it's that easy for them to suddenly become as gay-friendly as the West? You'd also be ignoring the history and political realities of the different Muslim countries...
Edit: Not defending MIA's dismissal of BLM though
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Why doesn't SHE say it instead of Beyonce hew in fact is not Muslim
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by Ascension
It's really extremely annoying when people see discourse on black issues and try to derail with this bs tit for tat, "but why can't we talk about x/y/z peoples' issues?" -- what is stopping you? Why is it so necessary to take away from whatever attention is put on the causes of one oppressed and disenfranchised group to discuss another? If you feel that Muslims and non-black minorities should have more champions, use your platform. It's not helping anyone sitting and complaining about the next group organizing on their own behalf -- especially when other minorities pretty much ignore those issues until it's time to complain that the black causes get ~too much attention~. And so what if other black artists have used their platform to discuss issues concerning the black American community in the past? It was just as necessary then as it is now. Girl, sit all the way down. |
I mean... the audacity....
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"It's interesting that in America the problem you're allowed to talk about is Black Lives Matter," she told ES Magazine.
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"Allowed" ...
...as if people aren't WORKING hard to be HEARD over all the noise thrown their way.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Again, we are lumping all Muslims together as if they're a single entity. M.I.A. is referring to the refugee crisis. With the state of things at the moment, do you really think it's that easy for them to suddenly become as gay-friendly as the West? You'd also be ignoring the history and political realities of the different Muslim countries...
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Of course not.
But that's why you don't make these kinds of statements... they're alienating. You just raise awareness and concern for your own projects and recruit allies. All while working to eradicate the obstacles within your community that possibly make supporting your cause so contentious with other groups. Like Beyonce lacing Formation with gay sensibilities at a time when some black folk are still opposed to it, thereby challenging them to re-evaluate their stance.
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Thats kind of unfair. You cant expect a person to do everything. If MIA feels so strongly about Muslim lives matter, SHE should talk about it.
I hate when someone doing good is criticized because they're not doing good for every possible cause. :Katie:
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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MIA has the right to call out anyone she wants.
I 100% agree with her and I'm a Bey stan so.....
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i'm screaming at people thinking being Muslim is a racial identification
I don't agree with her but I'm not going to make an anti-Islamic comment - see how easy that was?
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Originally posted by Artemisia
shut up and stop trying to intellectualize your bigotry
you aren't smart
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Member Since: 1/25/2012
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
The Catholic Church is CONSTANTLY trashed for the Vatican's view of homosexuality... and they're not even that extreme.
How is Islam, a system of beliefs, values, and traditions, any different? It's not an ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, nationality...
People should be free to practice the positive aspects of their religion, but the negative aspects should be ridiculed, ostracized, and eliminated. Nothing changes just because its Islam and we're talking about bigoted Muslims instead of bigoted Christians Let's not get overly sensitive now. |
The difference is a lot of people generalize all Muslims and attack all of them for some of Islam's teachings or some of the things they've heard/read, as you can see in this thread. Other than that, I do agree with you.
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Originally posted by LoKoPaNdA
Again, we are lumping all Muslims together as if they're a single entity. M.I.A. is referring to the refugee crisis. With the state of things at the moment, do you really think it's that easy for them to suddenly become as gay-friendly as the West? You'd also be ignoring the history and political realities of the different Muslim countries...
Edit: Not defending MIA's dismissal of BLM though
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Originally posted by Sunshine.
Of course not.
But that's why you don't make these kinds of statements... they're alienating. You just raise awareness and concern for your own projects and recruit allies. All while working to eradicate the obstacles within your community that possibly make supporting your cause so contentious with other groups. Like Beyonce lacing Formation with gay sensibilities at a time when some black folk are still opposed to it, thereby challenging them to re-evaluate their stance.
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I also agree with these posts.
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not a good day for bey
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Originally posted by MaRy
not a good day for bey
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I doubt Bey even cares
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