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Poll: Most impactful black female artist of the last 40 years?
View Poll Results: Who?
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Aaliyah
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18 |
6.32% |
Mariah
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85 |
29.82% |
Whitney
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145 |
50.88% |
Beyonce
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111 |
38.95% |
Rihanna
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64 |
22.46% |
Janet
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85 |
29.82% |
TLC
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15 |
5.26% |
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Originally posted by MiaBella
How am I biased when I'm a bigger fan of Aaliyah than Monica? Don't throw words or accusations around without meaning or merit. I'll give on Monica, but to say Aaliyah made more of an impact than Brandy is a reach to me. This is just personal opinion. Brandy not only was a musical force, but was an acting force, before Aaliyah began her streak of roles. Brandy opened that door for herself. I don't see much of Aaliyah's impact today, outside of style and fashion, but Brandy is someone who just about every young RnB/Soul/Pop act still cites as a vocal and musical influence and aspiration as much as or maybe even more than Aaliyah. Brandy's discography is more recognized. It's unfair to Aaliyah that she passed before she truly began her journey, but IMO, that's the truth of it.
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Brandy's acting career took off faster because Brandy dropped out of high school while Aaliyah never dropped out and went to school full time.
And the same could be said for Aaliyah hun. New r & b acts always cite Aaliyah as well.
And your a lie. Aaliyahs impact is present. All these girls singing over these bassy trap beats, Aaliyah mastered that with one in a million.
Ill say this. Brandy is more influential vocally while Aaliyah influenced more with music and style. Both of them are two different artists anyway. No need to discredit either.
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
It's okay to be an Aaliyah hater, I guess it's TRENDY not a over exaggerated FLOP that died over a decade ago sparking so much conversation
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It's a few comments. Not really "much" conversation at all. Yikes.
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Where did I say she sold 40M? That non fan did and I simply pointed out 40M > some ppl
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But you AGREED with him that she did. So my point still stands.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
But that WAS the argument. The thread question asks "Poll: Most Impactful Female Artists of the last 40 years?" MOST impactful. MOST impactful. Again, MOST IMPACTFUL. The question didn't ask "Who has impact and who doesn't?" When asking who is the MOST impactful, you have to group the artists who have had the MOST impact, analyze those and dispose of the ones who shouldn't even be in the running for having the MOST impact. And that applies to Aaliyah. Whitney, Donna, Janet and Mariah have all had more impact AND influence than Aaliyah. That's at least 4 artists in the poll ahead of her. Therefore, that eliminates her from having the MOST impact. Again, nowhere did anyone say she had no impact or influence. She just doesn't have the MOST compared to the 4 I mentioned. There is no vendetta against Aaliyah. Mr.Wonder did not single her out in his original post. He also said TLC, Rihanna and Beyoncé aren't eligible either. If you take off those rose colored stan glasses of yours and step into reality, you would see that.
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Again, who was more impactful was never a conversation between me and Wonder. We were going back and forth because he didnt know the difference between opposites and similarities, so yall typing essays quoting me with "janet more impactful than Aaliyah!" Is a waste of time because thats common knowledge and no one in here questioned that.
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Originally posted by MiaBella
How am I biased when I'm a bigger fan of Aaliyah than Monica? Don't throw words or accusations around without meaning or merit. I'll give on Monica, but to say Aaliyah made more of an impact than Brandy is a reach to me. This is just personal opinion. Brandy not only was a musical force, but was an acting force, before Aaliyah began her streak of roles. Brandy opened that door for herself. I don't see much of Aaliyah's impact today, outside of style and fashion, but Brandy is someone who just about every young RnB/Soul/Pop act still cites as a vocal and musical influence and aspiration as much as or maybe even more than Aaliyah. Brandy's discography is more recognized. It's unfair to Aaliyah that she passed before she truly began her journey, but IMO, that's the truth of it.
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The fact remains Bran and Mo credit Li for opening the door whether WE think so or not.
And Li ONLY having influence on fashion and style nowadays is an insult and a reach from the pits of hell. Not only do Pop/Soul/RnB claim Li as an influence the Alt. RnB girls (Caucasian and other wise) basically worship her as a GOD. Many alt. groups in and OUTSIDE of the US STAN for Li, one such group even said they studied her vocals so let's not do LiLi not today. OIAM AND THE RED ALBUM are both credited and recognized til this day.
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Originally posted by Lasers
.. As if this was ever even part of the argument?
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It's the argument you can't deny because you and I both know it's true. Hence why Aaliyah is OUT.
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Originally posted by Lasers
You've been going back and forth with me because you confused synonyms with antonyms,
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No, you've been going back and forth with me because you're pressed.
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Originally posted by Lasers
not because of Who was more impactful. Lets not play dumb dumb. Dont try to cover your @ss now because you got schooled with reciepts.
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"Schooled with receipts." You used a dictionary as a receipt.
Let me help you sis:
Appealing to an authority is fallacious.
"You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true."
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
This is how these arguments work. This is why your argument was never valid.
Secondly, once again I am still troubled with the obstacle of getting you to READ. Did you even comprehend the definition of "impact" you used?
have a strong effect on someone or something.
"high interest rates have impacted on retail spending"
Look at the example. High interest rates don't INFLUENCE retail spending. It brings about CHANGE, which is an illustration of IMPACT, which is what I said pages ago.
Third, do you even KNOW the definition of "synonym"?
"a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/synonym?s=t
The key phrase here? "NEARLY the same", which to the person who is reading, which may or may not be you, in this case I would say NOT because clearly...., means there is a margin of difference between the two words. The difference I pointed out with my Whitney reference is just an example of such.
Before you reply, make sure you READ my post and comprehend it so you don't make yourself look foolish again.
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Originally posted by Chimier
It's a few comments. Not really "much" conversation at all. Yikes.
But you AGREED with him that she did. So my point still stands.
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A few comments? The only reason this thread hit this many pages is becsuse of Aaliyah and many other threads as well which is why the mods usually shut the threads down
Maybe I wasn't clear but basically I meant "If you believe Aaliyah sold 40M, that 40M > certain artists in the poll so.... Li has a reason to be in the poll" so no.
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Originally posted by Lasers
Brandy's acting career took off faster because Brandy dropped out of high school while Aaliyah never dropped out and went to school full time.
And the same could be said for Aaliyah hun. New r & b acts always cite Aaliyah as well.
And your a lie. Aaliyahs impact is present. All these girls singing over these bassy trap beats, Aaliyah mastered that with one in a million.
Ill say this. Brandy is more influential vocally while Aaliyah influenced more with music and style. Both of them are two different artists anyway. No need to discredit either.
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I'm not discrediting anyone. I'm just stating that EYE see more of Brandy's influence today than I do Aaliyah. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Originally posted by Lasers
Again, who was more impactful was never a conversation between me and Wonder. We were going back and forth because he didnt know the difference between opposites and similarities, so yall typing essays quoting me with "janet more impactful than Aaliyah!" Is a waste of time because thats common knowledge and no one in here questioned that.
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You took issue with the fact that Mr. Wonder axed Aaliyah because he said she was a product of Janet's template. But there was nothing wrong about what he said. A person who has used the template from a past artist can't have more impact than the original. It just doesn't work that way. That is also why Mariah was axed, cuz her impact is on a smaller scale than that of Whitney's, a template Mariah used. Truthfully, Aaliyah brought nothing new to the table, nor did she do anything that had not already been done before her. Musically, she was nothing more than a guinea pig for Timbaland and Missy Elliot to flex their creative muscles. She was not preeminent in any way, shape or form. She was just good in her lane, which had already been signaled with flashing lights for her by Janet.
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Seriously though, the omission of Brandy and MJB from the poll...flawed. They definitely deserve to be on there moreso than Rihanna or Aaliyah ot at least added.
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Aretha/Whitney/Janet honorable mention to Mary.
And aaliyah, even with her short career has had huge impact.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
It's the argument you can't deny because you and I both know it's true. Hence why Aaliyah is OUT.
No, you've been going back and forth with me because you're pressed.
"Schooled with receipts." You used a dictionary as a receipt.
Let me help you sis:
Appealing to an authority is fallacious.
"You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true."
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
This is how these arguments work. This is why your argument was never valid.
Secondly, once again I am still troubled with the obstacle of getting you to READ. Did you even comprehend the definition of "impact" you used?
have a strong effect on someone or something.
"high interest rates have impacted on retail spending"
Look at the example. High interest rates don't INFLUENCE retail spending. It brings about CHANGE, which is an illustration of IMPACT, which is what I said pages ago.
Third, do you even KNOW the definition of "synonym"?
"a word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another in the language"
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/synonym?s=t
The key phrase here? "NEARLY the same", which to the person who is reading, which may or may not be you, in this case I would say NOT because clearly...., means there is a margin of difference between the two words. The difference I pointed out with my Whitney reference is just an example of such.
Before you reply, make sure you READ my post and comprehend it so you don't make yourself look foolish again.
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We are talking about PEOPLE, MUSIC, & ART. not fccking interest rates for loans 😂. In the terminology we are talking about (influence and impact in the world of music) they are the SAME THING. As proven in THE DICTIONARY.
and girl move. That link you posted had nothing to do with words defined by a dictionary.
If somewhere up in your mind you think green means blue, up means down, stop means go & full means empty, by all means knock yourself out. But you are the only one looking foolish trying to argue with whats written in stone and pass your opinion on what words mean TO YOU as a fact.
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I really love how people like to claim Li "was just a pretty face", "she really didn't do anything" as if Janet would claim to be watching a puppets next move and want to collaborate with them why not praise and collab with every Janet clone?
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
A few comments? The only reason this thread hit this many pages is becsuse of Aaliyah and many other threads as well which is why the mods usually shut the threads down
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Maybe I wasn't clear but basically I meant "If you believe Aaliyah sold 40M, that 40M > certain artists in the poll so.... Li has a reason to be in the poll" so no.
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Of course you did.
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Originally posted by Hi_im_new
Aretha/Whitney/Janet honorable mention to Mary.
And aaliyah, even with her short career has had huge impact.
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Finally, someone with some sense. Nobody said she had the biggest impactbut give credit where its due
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So what exactly is y'alls point, Aaliyah stans, if it's not that Aaliyah is one of the black women in the past 40 years with the most impact? If you agree that her impact isn't on the level of a Janet, a Whitney, a Mariah, or a Donna, what are you doing here?
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
Finally, someone with some sense. Nobody said she had the biggest impactbut give credit where its due
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This thread CLEARLY says "Most impactful black female artist of the last 40 years".
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Originally posted by MiaBella
Seriously though, the omission of Brandy and MJB from the poll...flawed. They definitely deserve to be on there moreso than Rihanna or Aaliyah ot at least added.
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Aaliyah deserves to be mentioned whether Brandy is mentioned or not. So deal with it.
You are more bothered that Aaliyah is on here more than Brandy not being mentioned at all.
& the shade is that same woman in your avatar is a bigger Aaliyah stan than she is Brandy. So whats your point?
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[QUOTE=Chimier;33843216]
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
A few comments? The only reason this thread hit this many pages is becsuse of Aaliyah and many other threads as well which is why the mods usually shut the threads down
Of course you did.
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Is it really that hard to grasp? If someone shades an artist but claim they outsold other artists mentioned, they basically shade/drag themselves which I pointed out.
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Originally posted by KingOfUrbanPop
I really love how people like to claim Li "was just a pretty face", "she really didn't do anything" as if Janet would claim to be watching a puppets next move and want to collaborate with them why not praise and collab with every Janet clone?
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Sis, Janet also collaborated with Khia, and willingly so. Stop using that stale receipt as if it holds some weight.
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Originally posted by Lasers
We are talking about PEOPLE, MUSIC, & ART. not fccking interest rates for loans 😂. In the terminology we are talking about (influence and impact in the world of music) they are the SAME THING. As proven in THE DICTIONARY.
and girl move. That link you posted had nothing to do with words defined by a dictionary.
If somewhere up in your mind you think green means blue, up means down, stop means go & full means empty, by all means knock yourself out. But you are the only one looking foolish trying to argue with whats written in stone and pass your opinion on what words mean TO YOU as a fact.
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Aaliyah has 13 votes.
Slay trick, or you get E-Lemonade-D.
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