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Celeb News: Kesha Swore Under Oath Dr. Luke Did NOT Sexually Assault Her
Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by jackcampbell1
She is not lying. her lawyer is trying to distract us with irrelevant ****. There is still a 3 year gap between THEN and NOW when anything else could have taken place. The emotional abuse could have all taken place before 2011 then the rape and assaults could have happened after 2011. Those documents only prove the date raping and sexual activity didn't occur at that particular point. There are countless other accusations to be proved and the fact that some of you think this case is over purely because she answered no to being drugged by him in 2011 doesn't mean she's going to lose, it's just one accusation scratched of the list of around 30 accusations. 29 to go! She will win this.
I swear I'm posting among monkeys in here sometimes ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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I haven't read the lawsuits myself but I'm sure someone said in the last few pages that she claimed particular dates for these and they were before 2011. ???
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
Yes they should be encouraged to speak out if someone has wronged them, but it is absolutely ridiculous to take something like this at hearsay.
The chances may be slim, but they are NOT non-existent. These things DO happen, and that is why people are not convicted on hearsay. That is why we have trials; which need evidence, witnesses and other rules and regulations. It doesn't matter if it's 10% or 0.1%; these things do happen.
If they are telling the truth, the evidence and the circumstances will confirm this. As so, the right outcome will happen in the end. Innocent people should not be convicted for no wrongdoing. Period.
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You act like they happen all the time though.. like I said, and like you said, they barely ever happen. I don't see why you are so persistent into taking the perpetrators side!!!
Not to mention, your attitude is still very negative and discouraging to victims that do want to speak out, which is why people have been attacking you and what you have been saying.
And like you said, the truth will come out, but now when we don't know anything, why is your attitude so dismissive?
It's basically calling the victim a liar up until they are actually proven to be accurate. So blaming the victim until the results? Don't you feel like a dick that way?
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![eat popcorn](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/3e5dbfe7-1.gif) and the show goes on
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Member Since: 8/31/2012
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Originally posted by jackcampbell1
She is not lying. her lawyer is trying to distract us with irrelevant ****. There is still a 3 year gap between THEN and NOW when anything else could have taken place. The emotional abuse could have all taken place before 2011 then the rape and assaults could have happened after 2011. Those documents only prove the date raping and sexual activity didn't occur at that particular point. There are countless other accusations to be proved and the fact that some of you think this case is over purely because she answered no to being drugged by him in 2011 doesn't mean she's going to lose, it's just one accusation scratched of the list of around 30 accusations. 29 to go! She will win this.
I swear I'm posting among monkeys in here sometimes ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Ke$ha is 27 as of now 2014. She claims, in her lawsuit, that she was abused since 18, which would have been 2003. In 2011, she testifies that she was never roofed/drugged by Dr. Luke and that she never had sexual relations with him. So, going by your theory that the sexual stuff happened after, 2003-2011 was A-OK, and then as soon as K$ turned 24, Dr. Luke finds her irresistibly attractive, and decides to roofie her to get in her pants? ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif) all while calling her a fat refrigerator?
The story does not add up whatsoever, and that is what a jury/judge will probably find too, unless Kesha admits to perjury.
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Luke's team is so smart, though. By making the case look unwinnable, he may have just scared any potential additional witnesses/victims back into hiding. Not saying it's a good thing, but it's great legal maneuvering.
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by Yourfavefan
You act like they happen all the time though.. like I said, and like you said, they barely ever happen. I don't see why you are so persistent into taking the perpetrators side!!!
Not to mention, your attitude is still very negative and discouraging to victims that do want to speak out, which is why people have been attacking you and what you have been saying.
And like you said, the truth will come out, but now when we don't know anything, why is your attitude so dismissive?
It's basically calling the victim a liar up until they are actually proven to be accurate. So blaming the victim until the results? Don't you feel like a dick that way?
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They don't happen all the time but they do happen. Period.
I have said numerous times in this thread that he should be convicted IF it is true.
It's not about blaming the victim. We can be sympathetic for the victim and we don't have to accuse them of lying. But it's about staying neutral until a verdict has been reached. In which case we should always assume the accused is innocent until proven guilty. We can still offer support to the "victim" but we should also make them aware that they still have to proof the accusations. That's the way it is.
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Y'all are acting like perjury is some kind of valid excuse for him to abuse her.
just ****ing stop, you sick ****s.
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I thought this was recent
I was about to throw my stan card in the TRASH ![deadbanana3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana3_zpsa2d36eca.gif)
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Originally posted by Giliap
Y'all are acting like perjury is some kind of valid excuse for him to abuse her.
just ****ing stop, you sick ****s.
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no, I'm just looking at it from a legal perspective.
If she admits to perjury, her entire character will be called into doubt because (as it could be framed) "If she could lie under oath, who's to say she isn't lying now to extort money out of a powerful music executive"?
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Originally posted by Beethoven
This whole mess kinda makes me want to study Law tbh. It's interesting.
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I was thinking the same thing tbh
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The plot thickens ...
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Originally posted by Ryanicorn
I thought this was recent
I was about to throw my stan card in the TRASH ![deadbanana3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana3_zpsa2d36eca.gif)
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Same here ![toofunny2](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny2_zpsb54f2d2d.gif)
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Originally posted by TikiMiss
no, I'm just looking at it from a legal perspective.
If she admits to perjury, her entire character will be called into doubt because (as it could be framed) "If she could lie under oath, who's to say she isn't lying now to extort money out of a powerful music executive"?
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read between the lines. a book, written law, common law etc does not make up your mind. you make up your mind.
she lied to protect herself, her family, her career and was forced to protect Luke. You honestly think she lied because she has bad character? really?
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by jackcampbell1
She is not lying. her lawyer is trying to distract us with irrelevant ****. There is still a 3 year gap between THEN and NOW when anything else could have taken place. The emotional abuse could have all taken place before 2011 then the rape and assaults could have happened after 2011. Those documents only prove the date raping and sexual activity didn't occur at that particular point. There are countless other accusations to be proved and the fact that some of you think this case is over purely because she answered no to being drugged by him in 2011 doesn't mean she's going to lose, it's just one accusation scratched of the list of around 30 accusations. 29 to go! She will win this.
I swear I'm posting among monkeys in here sometimes ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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I really think it's the opposite tbh. The sexual abuse was probably BEFORE 2011 cause Kesha's lawsuit mention she was 18 when the incident happened. I just don't see it after 2011. I kinda believe Kesha and Luke were somewhat involved in a relationship or something at some time (in 2009 or 2010).
The emotional abuse was probably AFTER 2011 till 2013.
But it's just suggestions, obviously. I just think their relationship was dysfunctional and really ambiguous from the very start.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by RihannaRTT
They don't happen all the time but they do happen. Period.
I have said numerous times in this thread that he should be convicted IF it is true.
It's not about blaming the victim. We can be sympathetic for the victim and we don't have to accuse them of lying. But it's about staying neutral until a verdict has been reached. In which case we should always assume the accused is innocent until proven guilty. We can still offer support to the "victim" but we should also make them aware that they still have to proof the accusations. That's the way it is.
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Yes they happen, but BARELY... Like BARELY EVER
neutral is NOT saying that the accused is innocent until proven guilty. neutral is that both have the same amount of proving to do. The only problem with that idea is that it discourages victims to come out, especially of sexual assault, because there is always a misconception that sexual assault is the victims fault, which you have yet to acknowledge which is one problem.
And don't you agree that the attitude you have might just discourage victims from giving the real tea? Do you actually think a victim will feel encouraged to speak up on sexual assault when society believes that accepting someone's drink means you should have sex with them and that you crying rape afterwards is just because you got too drunk and regretted it? Do you think victims would want to speak out when the norm is that women always mean yes even when they say no? Do you think victims want to speak out when society thinks it is the victims fault for not fighting back even though they were scared, thinking about their best interest to remain safe?
It's hard for victims to speak out, and anything that discourages that need to be reevalutated and changed!
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Innocent until proven guilty. Some of y'all can not be mad because people choose to not take sides and would rather evidence come first.
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Originally posted by Giliap
read between the lines. a book, written law, common law etc does not make up your mind. you make up your mind.
she lied to protect herself, her family, her career and was forced to protect Luke. You honestly think she lied because she has bad character? really?
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that may be the truth, but in front of a jury and a judge, they likely won't be thinking in those terms. The defense (Luke) will probably be relentless and spend their time calling Kesha's character into question, which is the easiest way for them to win the case. If Kesha admits to perjury, she will have done 50% of the work for them because lying, especially as a rich successful celebrity, is rarely excusable. If she doesn't admit to perjury, there are huge gaping holes in her story and lawsuit, and there's likelihood it will get thrown out before even going to the jury.
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Originally posted by AHemsworth
Innocent until proven guilty. Some of y'all can not be mad because people choose to not take sides and would rather evidence come first.
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the problem is that with this logic (which is totally fair) people should be keeping quiet but instead they're finding anything to discredit Kesha.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Ryanicorn
I thought this was recent
I was about to throw my stan card in the TRASH ![deadbanana3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana3_zpsa2d36eca.gif)
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really? like idk i wouldnt like her as a person anymore but id still listen to her music just as much tbh
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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i wish this wasnt all so public, its very messy
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