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Discussion: Muslim Immigration to Europe
Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
But Arabs/muslims have been enslaving, colonizing, murdering all non-believers for 1,000s of years before Europeans. Let's not pretend Europeans were the first and only group of people to do this, they just took it to a grand scale and are the only ones who are trying to make amends for their past mistakes. I don't see arabs or Chinese or even Japanese apologizing to for the atrocities their ancestors did years ago.
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My country was under the Ottoman reign for centuries ![deadbanana](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana2_zpsd45da7d4.gif) My nation was repressed a lot. It's normal that we have second thoughts towards them. I have nothing against muslims as long as they don't put their beliefs in your face. I don't do it so neither should they.
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Member Since: 4/12/2011
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Originally posted by PromKing
Are you talking about ISIS? Or like one case you read about on the news?
DO YOUR RESEARCH before you go around generalizing both Arabs and Muslims.
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He's actually right and he's referring to Ottoman Empire, they forced Catholics and Orthodox Christians to convert to Islam in conquered parts of Europe.
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Member Since: 3/7/2014
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It makes me want to move to Australia.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by Broken
It makes me want to move to Australia.
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But sis - the Malaysian immigrants are most likely Muslims... x
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by Broken
It makes me want to move to Australia.
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Australia has so many Lebanese and Malaysian immigrants. ![Celestial 3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/celestial3_zpse36514c9.gif)
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Oh. Well. Scratch that then. ![deadbanana3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana3_zpsa2d36eca.gif)
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
The population of Christian/Jewish Arabs have gone down over the years. Funny you mention the UAE when most Indians living there are tricked there and promised a good life then used for cheap labor aka slavery. In most Islamic countries you're not allowed to express your religion in public like in the West. Also don't include North African countries, Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon and for the most part, Syria as they stepped away from pure Islam a long time ago.
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every country has its own fault, it's like when French ban women wearing headscarf.
specifically regarding UAE issue.. some people from my country worked under them and they were willingly working as domestic workers or labors or what you called "slave" from legal agencies. However, UAE is against human trafficking, you can find official reports.
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The UAE is not a multicultural society as it's laws are very much based on sharia law and Islam. You can't read a bible outside or else you'll be sent outside.
You can't express your disdain for Islam there like people do to Christianity here or else you'll get killed.
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sharia is not against tolerance
and I wonder where you get your stories
In practice, however, the legal interpretation allowed other religious groups the Muslims encountered, such as Hindus, to be counted as legitimate members of the community.
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Member Since: 8/30/2012
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^ Not headscarves, niqabs. Not the same thing.
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Member Since: 6/26/2012
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Originally posted by Priyanka Chopra
Australia has so many Lebanese and Malaysian immigrants. ![Celestial 3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/celestial3_zpse36514c9.gif)
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But they're not coming in illegally or in the 10% and as I recall they must learn the language and work, which is what I am in favor for.
Not all Lebanese people are muslim, they're pretty tolerant and peaceful because they moved away from pure islam.
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Member Since: 9/17/2012
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
But they're not coming in illegally or in the 10% and as I recall they must learn the language and work, which is what I am in favor for.
Not all Lebanese people are muslim, they're pretty tolerant and peaceful because they moved away from pure islam.
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You don't become tolerant when you move away from "pure Islam". It's the opposite actually. "Pure, original Islam" preaches tolerance. When Muslims stray away from the original, pure form of Islam, they become intolerant, and can eventually develop interest in terrorist, radical behaviour.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Chrome
What about Christian immigration to Europe?
Jewish?
Atheist?
Hindu?
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that's clearly not the question. people need to leave these 'righteous' fences before it's too late? our acceptance has already starting to cause a dived between casual Muslims and the rest of the population because of the few extremists the media continues to feed! it's sad to say that we're in the brink of a holy war in 2014, not that I support the man but Russell brand was correct in saying we can't evolve as a species as long as religion continues to blind people, faith and hope are so easy to find within! but I digress, I'm far to uncomfortable with how intrusive this religion has become to those who choose a different path (I am aware of the harm its causing within itself too)
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Nothing against it as long as they work hard to benefit society.
People can say all kinda on stupid and prejudiced **** on this thread but at the end of the day, they are not going anywhere. Accept that!
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Member Since: 3/31/2012
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Originally posted by Goosey
I spoke to someone who just got back from a London/Paris vacation and they told me when they were down at the tube station there was hardly a white face to be seen. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Omg! ![rolleyes](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif) So what? They are all human beings. Your posts are so racist and appalling. Da **** do you expect when people open their border up to the outside world of course people from poor country will migrate to rich ones. Common sense. hopefully more and more will come. London is only 45% white British, soon it will go lower and they become outnumbered due to the birth rates being low.
Welcome to the 21st century.
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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I would love to know if the UK benefits system wasn't so flawed and generous if all these people would still be flocking in. I doubt it. And they're not coming from the EU, as we all know. If they had to try work for a living they might prefer to stay put where they are.
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Member Since: 10/22/2010
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I'm gonna keep it cute but let's just say anyone defending Islamic extremes has no place also defending feminism and certainly any gay rights causes. Hypocrisy at it's best.
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Member Since: 11/22/2009
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Better visit my favorite places in Europe before it's gone by radicals.
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Member Since: 2/4/2014
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Originally posted by Broken
Oh. Well. Scratch that then. ![deadbanana3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/bananas/deadbanana3_zpsa2d36eca.gif)
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You will be fine! We know that Brits mainly hate Pakistanis or people who look like them! That's why Amelle (Moroccan Muslim) is okay, but Shilpa Shetty (not a Muslim) is not.
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
But they're not coming in illegally or in the 10% and as I recall they must learn the language and work, which is what I am in favor for.
Not all Lebanese people are muslim, they're pretty tolerant and peaceful because they moved away from pure islam.
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I know that not all Lebanese are Muslim and not all Malaysians either, but most of them are! The ones in Australia mainly are too.
Lebanese are tolerant because they're more modern. Muslim countries in South Asia like Pakistan are stuck in the stone ages because the population is uneducated, impoverished and backwards. It would be like comparing Italy to Jamaica (where I'm from and is very religious and backwards).
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Member Since: 12/15/2011
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
Wait, but aren't most of those foreign nationals.... Muslims? Lord. And FYI that's not mass immigration, Europeans were not immigrants they were settlers. To be an immigrant there has to be a country with its own laws, culture, etc.
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no. most of the foreigners are indians and filipinos who are not likely to be muslim.
omg are you serious? those lands had their own laws and culture. they just weren't recognized by europeans, but you're right. they're not immigrants. they were INVADERS. you're complaining about legal immigrants who come in small numbers, but you're defending mass invasions as just "settlements."
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Originally posted by Pristine
I'm gonna keep it cute but let's just say anyone defending Islamic extremes has no place also defending feminism and certainly any gay rights causes. Hypocrisy at it's best.
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i don't see anyone in this topic defending islamic extremes and you're the real hypocrite here
before you edited you post, you called us "hypocritical liberal queens". that's so funny coming from you because your type is the REAL hypocritical queen who wants to be liberal when it's convenient for him (gay issues of course), but then throws out all those liberal values when it comes to other people. hypocrisy at its best
real liberals promote fairness when it comes to everyone and no liberal is defending islamic extremism. liberals are defending the muslim immigrants you're attacking and the paranoia you're trying to promote
and these australians, britons and canadians complaining about "mass immigration", especially from muslims? have you looked at the demographics of these countries? they don't even qualify as ultra diverse. and then we have another one saying the muslims are going to bring sharia law to western countries when the few muslim immigrants there barely have any political power and like the true majority of them don't actually want sharia law or participate in politics. ![toofunny3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny3_zps08814413.gif)
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Member Since: 6/26/2012
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Originally posted by hot mess
no. most of the foreigners are indians and filipinos who are not likely to be muslim.
omg are you serious? those lands had their own laws and culture. they just weren't recognized by europeans, but you're right. they're not immigrants. they were INVADERS. you're complaining about legal immigrants who come in small numbers, but you're defending mass invasions as just "settlements."
i don't see anyone in this topic defending islamic extremes and you're the real hypocrite here
before you edited you post, you called us "hypocritical liberal queens". that's so funny coming from you because your type is the REAL hypocritical queen who wants to be liberal when it's convenient for him (gay issues of course), but then throws out all those liberal values when it comes to other people. hypocrisy at its best
real liberals promote fairness when it comes to everyone and no liberal is defending islamic extremism. liberals are defending the muslim immigrants you're attacking and the paranoia you're trying to promote
and these australians, britons and canadians complaining about "mass immigration", especially from muslims? have you looked at the demographics of these countries? they don't even qualify as ultra diverse. and then we have another one saying the muslims are going to bring sharia law to western countries when the few muslim immigrants there barely have any political power and like the true majority of them don't actually want sharia law or participate in politics. ![toofunny3](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/faces/toofunny3_zps08814413.gif)
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That's not mass invasions, they were literally settlers who were welcomed by the Natives. Before the European SETTLERS came there was no infrastructure or single culture or ethnic population for them to be considered a country. It was divided by various tribes (some who "liked" the Europeans and made treaties with them), it wasn't till later with the founded of the USA that those treaties were broken. You really have zero concept of history and basically going off by what your tumblr sjw liberal crowd told you.
Real liberals are actually libertarians/conservatives who believe in small government, liberty, freedom, etc. Look up classical liberalism before the switch. Modern liberals or leftist or neo-liberals, if you wish, are not "real liberals" and yes, you can be a conservative and for gay marriage do not confuse religious neo-cons and the conservative ideology together, they are not the same. Every person in the West are afforded the same rights, equal opportunity as each other so I guess liberalism is kind of pointless by your definition? The fact that we value equality and over our countries economy really says something about our society.
I don't care about diversity or multiculturalism because it has been shown many times not to work the only problem is the EU and our politicians keep forcing it on us, so idk why you continue to mention it to me.
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Member Since: 6/26/2012
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Originally posted by qweenmiley
That's not mass invasions, they were literally settlers who were welcomed by the Natives. Before the European SETTLERS came there was no infrastructure or single culture or ethnic population for them to be considered a country. It was divided by various tribes (some who "liked" the Europeans and made treaties with them), it wasn't till later with the founded of the USA that those treaties were broken. You really have zero concept of history and basically going off by what your tumblr sjw liberal crowd told you.
Real liberals are actually libertarians/conservatives who believe in small government, liberty, freedom, etc. Look up classical liberalism before the switch. Modern liberals or leftist or neo-liberals, if you wish, are not "real liberals" and yes, you can be a conservative and for gay marriage do not confuse religious neo-cons and the conservative ideology together, they are not the same. Every person in the West are afforded the same rights, equal opportunity as each other so I guess liberalism is kind of pointless by your definition? The fact that we value equality and over our countries economy really says something about our society.
I don't care about diversity or multiculturalism because it has been shown many times not to work the only problem is the EU and our politicians keep forcing it on us, so idk why you continue to mention it to me.
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Over 200 Britons have left to join to fight with ISIS. Nope. You wanna come here? Prove to us you're willing to work, speak our language, love our people and it's culture, and show respect to the crown. If you can't do that stay in your country and try to make it better.
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