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Discussion: Katy v Gaga: More Respect from Public?
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Originally posted by Emcee
Nick, I work in a bank with many GP types. People with families. Mostly > 25. I can tell you that in this circle of people, almost all my coworkers find it ok to let their children listen to Katy and tell me how much they love Katy's music. They also think that Gaga is a joke who is emotionally unstable and weird.
Granted I don't hang with hipsters in Brooklyn, who may agree with you, but the point of this is: there are worlds outside your own. Yours don't trump mine and mind don't trump yours. We are equals.
The marketplace is the judge. Katy > Gaga right now. This may change in the future.
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You're saying there are worlds outside my own, yet you're taking your own world as fact? Okay
The marketplace is not the judge. Sales have nothing to do with this argument, I can't believe people went so far out of their way to bring them up. People can respect Gaga more than Katy and still buy Katy's music and not Gaga's.
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Mess at this thread
They fall for yet another Katy vs Monsters wars trap
As an artist: Gaga >>>>
As a person: Katy >>>>
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Originally posted by nick4bty
You're saying there are worlds outside my own, yet you're taking your own world as fact? Okay
The marketplace is not the judge. Sales have nothing to do with this argument, I can't believe people went so far out of their way to bring them up. People can respect Gaga more than Katy and still buy Katy's music and not Gaga's.
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Yeah my world is a fact and so is yours. Did I ever discredit yours? No.
The point is the marketplace is the judge. That's why Billboard, Soundscan and other metrics exist.
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
I didn't know about any of these
Katy has also performed with the Rolling Stones and has recognition from Fleetwood Mac. The GP don't know who has performed with legends and who hasn't. That's stan knowledge
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True, and the question was about the GP, not critics. Arguable, critics would easily side with Gaga. But like I said, Gaga has earned a ton of respect throughout her 6 year career from the GP. They may not always like her music or her "antics," but they can respect the fact that she plays her own instruments, writes her own music, and can sing well live. On most YT videos, articles, reviews, etc., there's usually 1 deluded stan saying "Lady GagGag sucks" for every 40 year old music lover who says "I don't like her or buy her music, but I 100% respect her."
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No one discusses Katy Perry outside of the stan world...Yes, it's more acceptable to listen to Katy's music because it's relatable, radio/family friendly and she's not polarizing at all. But in all honesty, outside of her hit songs, the GP has nothing to talk about her and they really don't care for her...Let alone respect her.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Emcee
Yeah my world is a fact and so is yours. Did I ever discredit yours? No.
The point is the marketplace is the judge. That's why Billboard, Soundscan and other metrics exist.
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No it's not Sales do not equal respect. They just don't. They're two completely separate things.
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If sales are all that matter, Flo Rida and Carly Jepson are more respected than both. I love how it's always "Grammys, awards, tour gross, and overall sales don't matter" when Katy fans are trying to defend Katy.
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Sorry but until you find a way to measure objectively, people's sentiments of respect, measure all the world's collective sentiments of Katy and Gaga and compare the two, I'll stick with current sales as a gauge.
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
No one discusses Katy Perry outside of the stan world...Yes, it's more acceptable to listen to Katy's music because it's relatable, radio/family friendly and she's not polarizing at all. But in all honesty, outside of her hit songs, the GP has nothing to talk about her and they really don't care for her...Let alone respect her.
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Yeah, people buy Katy's music, love hearing her on the radio, request her, watch her videos, etc., but that has nothing to do with how much they respect her and how they compare their respect for her to their respect for Gaga. No connection at all. People can love Katy's music but have very little respect for her lol
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Originally posted by Bang Up
If sales are all that matter, Flo Rida and Carly Jepson are more respected than both. I love how it's always "Grammys, awards, tour gross, and overall sales don't matter" when Katy fans are trying to defend Katy.
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Don't forget the Black Eyed Peas!
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Originally posted by Emcee
Sorry but until you find a way to measure objectively, people's sentiments of respect, measure all the world's collective sentiments of Katy and Gaga and compare the two, I'll stick with current sales as a gauge.
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There is no way to measure. Nor is anyone asking for one. This is an opinion poll on a stan forum lol
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No one even talks about GaGa anymore so by default Katy.
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Originally posted by Emcee
Sorry but until you find a way to measure objectively, people's sentiments of respect, measure all the world's collective sentiments of Katy and Gaga and compare the two, I'll stick with current sales as a gauge.
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But sales don't equate to respect. And overall sales ARE current sales. Overall sales don't just disappear and become invalid. The fact that the Grammys made a joke of Katy by nominating her with Brave and then having Sara present her award is all that needs to be said.
But Katy has a few KCAs so that's all that matters.
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Originally posted by Solopop
No one even talks about GaGa anymore so by default Katy.
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Well, considering Gaga's latest video received more views in one day than Dark Horse despite not even being on the radio and Gaga's tour selling better, this is Katy shade more than anything. Katy's album should be flying off the shelf with the hits it has, but it's not. It's only sold about 1m more WW than Gaga's album, which has been deemed a flop. People respect Katy but not enough to spend more than a few bucks on her?
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Originally posted by nick4bty
Don't forget the Black Eyed Peas!
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The BEP are respected. They changed the scene and introduced the whole electro pop craze in 2009
Female pop stars (Katy, Gaga) are never respected
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Originally posted by Whiskey Mouth
No one discusses Katy Perry outside of the stan world...Yes, it's more acceptable to listen to Katy's music because it's relatable, radio/family friendly and she's not polarizing at all. But in all honesty, outside of her hit songs, the GP has nothing to talk about her and they really don't care for her...Let alone respect her.
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In my office, she's a hit and she is very much respected. Just because in your world people view her as boring and not worthy of respect, it doesn't mean it applies for everyone.
My coworker who is an audio engineer raves about Katy's emotive vocals and creative videos.
Please, monsters. There are viewpoints outside of your own. I can see why Gaga fans love her. Please try to respect why Katy fans respect Katy more.
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Originally posted by Bang Up
If sales are all that matter, Flo Rida and Carly Jepson are more respected than both. I love how it's always "Grammys, awards, tour gross, and overall sales don't matter" when Katy fans are trying to defend Katy.
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Because those things are in the past. Right now? Katy is more respected.
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Originally posted by nick4bty
Don't forget the Black Eyed Peas!
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They're very respected
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Originally posted by Mezter
They're very respected
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people running to discredit them just because of Will.i.am
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Originally posted by johnsuxx
The BEP are respected. They changed the scene and introduced the whole electro pop craze in 2009
Female pop stars (Katy, Gaga) are never respected
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No one outside the Internet knows that though. Same with the "Gaga bringing EDM to the masses" argument, which is ridiculous. The GP doesn't know this.
I agree that pop stars genuinely aren't respected, but artists are. And I honestly think that's where the line is drawn between Katy and Gaga - one is a pop star, and the other is an artist.
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