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Discussion: Thoughts on Teen Pregnancy?
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
no, not in those cases
a kid doesn't usually pull out instead of using a condom because they're "lazy"
they usually don't know pulling out is a joke
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I'm not really here for that lazyness argument. I'm talking about other issues like the type of peers you have. Anyways education is not the sole answer but its the main one. Still annoyed about your comment about gay people though What annoys me is when people box other peoples thoughts just because they classified in a certain group.
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Originally posted by Big Smoke
I can attest to some of this.
There aint much to do in the hood lol.
BUT at the same time, where are the parents of these children? They wont talk to their parents about sex (Hell I don't tak about sex with my parents and I'm in my 20s lol) There's sex ed in school. They give out free condoms in schools AND in the clinics. There's very little excuse for a child to not be sexually uneducated IMO
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right, lol
i didn't grow up out there but i had friends who did and that statement rings true
the parents should be there but there are many reasons why they aren't, and yes it is a shame because the parents have the most power in this case
but just giving kids condoms isn't enough, and a lot of the time this sex ed is not comprehensive and usually is just all about abstinence - which is pathetic
you need more
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Originally posted by Haus
AGAIN, SEX is an act of REPRODUCTION. I shouldn't have to keep repeating this. Just because it's fun doesn't make it any less serious. That's simply being irresponsible if you're having sex without being able to raise a child if one comes from it. That's like driving a car without insurance (obviously on a more serious level though).
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but people wanna have sex because it feels nice, expecting them not to is silly, idc if it's technically an act of reproduction (which, might i add, is the same argument that was used to keep sodomy illegal for years)
the insurance is the contraception, which is nearly foolproof
most kids don't want to abstain and they don't have to
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
the laziness argument baffles me, and it's very prejudiced
same argument used to explain why black people are the poorest in the nation
you TRULY believe teenagers who end up pregnant are thinking about having sex and are like "hmm, i wanna have sex but my computer is on the other side of the room & i don't wanna grab it, i guess i'll just not read about sex and have it anyway"
TRULY!?
many don't even KNOW the options they have out there or what these contraceptives do
you're starting to make really ridiculous arguments and this post implies that sex ed is unimportant, which given the stats, it by no means is NOT
no, not in those cases
a kid doesn't usually pull out instead of using a condom because they're "lazy"
they usually don't know pulling out is a joke
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If that's not the case, they why are they pregnant then? Clearly the education you've been advocating was readily available across the room. If you don't know the options at least Google a resource that can tell you. It'll be the same info you'd receive in a classroom setting.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
The ones who didn't end up with child
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Lol but there are people who did not take the initiative, but from school they learned the negative effects of participating with teen pregnancy at an early age.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
I'm not really here for that lazyness argument. I'm talking about other issues like the type of peers you have. Anyways education is not the sole answer but its the main one. Still annoyed about your comment about gay people though What annoys me is when people box other peoples thoughts just because they classified in a certain group.
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good lord above i did not box you in
all i said is you're gay so you see things differently and there is nothing wrong with that
you have knowledge on the subject but you don't have experience and that's the fact of it
i never devalued your opinion or threw it to the side because you were gay
grow up
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Member Since: 9/3/2011
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Originally posted by Mélina
I know you're joking, right? While I agree teen pregnancy is quite irresponsible, making the girl abort or give up her child infringes on her rights as a woman to be a parent.
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I'm not saying to MAKE her do it I'm saying that that's the BEST CHOICE for both her AND the child. Raising a child in high school would be incredibly stressful and it's a bad situation for a child when he isn't seeing his mother half the day and he's being raised by his grandparents or a daycare. Not to mention the fact that most teen fathers abandon the mother and child.
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Don't have sex if you don't want children.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
If that's not the case, they why are they pregnant then? Clearly the education you've been advocating was readily available across the room. If you don't know the options at least Google a resource that can tell you. It'll be the same info you'd receive in a classroom setting.
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um no, not really
groups like planned parenthood that come into classrooms to teach on sex ed have researched it, have scientific data to back them up, have experience with everything they're talking about
google could give you a yahoo answers with some idiot thinking they know sex ed and not knowing anything at all
not at ALL the same thing
that's disrespectful to insinuate, and by that argument we should just abolish school and let people google their ways thru life
great idea
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Originally posted by Haus
I'm not saying to MAKE her do it I'm saying that that's the BEST CHOICE for both her AND the child. Raising a child in high school would be incredibly stressful and it's a bad situation for a child when he isn't seeing his mother half the day and he's being raised by his grandparents or a daycare. Not to mention the fact that most teen fathers abandon the mother and child.
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Ah, ok.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
good lord above i did not box you in
all i said is you're gay so you see things differently and there is nothing wrong with that
you have knowledge on the subject but you don't have experience and that's the fact of it
i never devalued your opinion or threw it to the side because you were gay
grow up
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Just because I don't have the experience doesn't mean I can't understand the causes of a higher rate in teen pregnancy. In fact we already agree that education is the main factor. Experience has very little to do with knowing what leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy. Also why are you telling me to grow up when I'm just voicing my opinion on how I feel from what you said about gay people.
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Just because I don't have the experience doesn't mean I can't understand the causes of a higher rate in teen pregnancy. In fact we already agree that education is the main factor. Experience has very little to do with knowing what leads to higher rates of teen pregnancy. Also why are you telling me to grow up when I'm just voicing my opinion on how I feel from what you said about gay people.
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because you're internalizing it and you didn't need to
i get you can understand rates, reasons, etc.
i'm saying you don't understand the magnitude of the pressure to have sex
it's not a big deal GOD
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
um no, not really
groups like planned parenthood that come into classrooms to teach on sex ed have researched it, have scientific data to back them up, have experience with everything they're talking about
google could give you a yahoo answers with some idiot thinking they know sex ed and not knowing anything at all
not at ALL the same thing
that's disrespectful to insinuate, and by that argument we should just abolish school and let people google their ways thru life
great idea
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First off, google can provide a map to your nearest Planned Parenthood Clinic
Two, I'm sure PP provide information online on their website, as well as may other legitimate organizations. The whole internet does not consist of yahoo answers
Three, there is MORE info online than what you would be able to get in a quick 30 min power point presentation
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
because you're internalizing it and you didn't need to
i get you can understand rates, reasons, etc.
i'm saying you don't understand the magnitude of the pressure to have sex
it's not a big deal GOD
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Wow you're making me sound like a soulless human being who isn't able to view things from other people. What am I unable to see in teen pregnancy that you are? Also way to just shove it to the side It may not be a big deal for you but it is for me which is why I'm pursuing this. Also so since I'm gay I don't understand the pressure of having sex? Interesting Learning something new everyday
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
First off, google can provide a map to your nearest Planned Parenthood Clinic
Two, I'm sure PP provide information online on their website, as well as may other legitimate organizations. The whole internet does not consist of yahoo answers
Three, there is MORE info online than what you would be able to get in a quick 30 min power point presentation
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You're really downplaying the important of sex education in schools. If we want to aim for a better type of educational system for sexual education then we should adopt the way Canada and multiple European countries do it. They start from a young age and guide the kids to make better educated decisions.
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
but people wanna have sex because it feels nice, expecting them not to is silly, idc if it's technically an act of reproduction (which, might i add, is the same argument that was used to keep sodomy illegal for years)
the insurance is the contraception, which is nearly foolproof
most kids don't want to abstain and they don't have to
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I don't expect all poor teens not to, that's in my ideal world. If a poor teen really needs to have sex then they better be using at least 2 forms of contraceptives and be emotionally prepared for the consequences from it. And I know that poor people typically live in poor areas which offer poor education, so they may not have a sex ed class. Babies come from sex so it isn't something to take lightly, and the internet is available to everyone, so it isn't like you can't educate yourself on it. I know that there are wildly successful people that have come from poor families (such as Oprah) but that doesn't mean that their upbringing will be easy. Often times they'll end up in a foster home. Abortion or adoption is always the best option.
The only complete guarantee against pregnancy is not doing it. If you can't handle the risks, don't do it. It's common sense. Just because "it feels nice" doesn't mean it's a responsible decision. And here's a better car insurance argument: don't set a high deductible to save money if you can't afford it when you total your car ( ).
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Originally posted by Ichinaru19
Wow you're making me sound like a soulless human being who isn't able to view things from other people. What am I unable to see in teen pregnancy that you are? Also way to just shove it to the side It may not be a big deal for you but it is for me which is why I'm pursuing this. Also so since I'm gay I don't understand the pressure of having sex? Interesting Learning something new everyday
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i apologize if you were offended but i'm not making you sound like a soulless human being, please stop taking what i say beyond what it is
i'm not saying you don't understand sexual pressure, all i'm saying is if you haven't been a teen straight girl you don't understand the pressure to have sex as a teen straight girl
it's a similar (albeit less serious) thing with racism; you can read about racism, know about racism, maybe even experience it in a way but you don't know what it's like to be a black person and experience racism unless you're a black person experiencing racism
that's all i'm saying, and i'm tired of talking about it and trying to dispell you taking it 10x farther than my intent
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Originally posted by Haus
I don't expect all poor teens not to, that's in my ideal world. If a poor teen really needs to have sex then they better be using at least 2 forms of contraceptives and be emotionally prepared for the consequences from it. And I know that poor people typically live in poor areas which offer poor education, so they may not have a sex ed class. Babies come from sex so it isn't something to take lightly, and the internet is available to everyone, so it isn't like you can't educate yourself on it. I know that there are wildly successful people that have come from poor families (such as Oprah) but that doesn't mean that their upbringing will be easy. Often times they'll end up in a foster home. Abortion or adoption is always the best option.
The only complete guarantee against pregnancy is not doing it. If you can't handle the risks, don't do it. It's common sense. Just because "it feels nice" doesn't mean it's a responsible decision. And here's a better car insurance argument: don't set a high deductible to save money if you can't afford it when you total your car ( ).
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adoption and abortion are but people don't all like those ideas and again, people who are torn tend just to keep the kid
furthermore, some kids don't have access to internet, and they tend to be the poor kids
i don't know why you keep saying 2 forms; it's helpful, but it's not necessary or a need
it should be, tho
you should be able to have sex because you want to & it feels nice; and you can, so how is it irresponsible to have sex because it feels nice?
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Everyone knows sex makes babies. If you don't take the precautions to protect yourself THAT'S YOUR FAULT, not society's for not giving you a sex ed class. Everyone is not going to get one. No should have to tell you to seek out knowledge. You can't get pregnant and then be like "no one told me how to use condoms". You need get off you lazy bottom and ask someone how to use one, be it a parent, school official, medical professional, or the internet.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Everyone knows sex makes babies. If you don't take the precautions to protect yourself THAT'S YOUR FAULT, not society's for not giving you a sex ed class. Everyone is not going to get one. No should have to tell you to seek out knowledge. You can't get pregnant and then be like "no one told me how to use condoms". You need get off you lazy bottom and ask someone how to use one, be it a parent, school official, medical professional, or the internet.
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that's exactly what bush thought, but for some reason obama is doing a better job at preventing teen pregnancy
isn't that the weirdest thing?
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
adoption and abortion are but people don't all like those ideas and again, people who are torn tend just to keep the kid
furthermore, some kids don't have access to internet, and they tend to be the poor kids
i don't know why you keep saying 2 forms; it's helpful, but it's not necessary or a need
it should be, tho
you should be able to have sex because you want to & it feels nice; and you can, so how is it irresponsible to have sex because it feels nice?
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Which is their own fault if they can't even get past their own selfishness when deciding what's best for the baby, what does that say about raising the child down the road? If you get pregnant, you need to grow up and see the world for what it is. Any sane person will tell you that raising a child as a teen is a terrible idea, so there's no reason to keep it besides your own attachment to it. You need to see that what's best for it is giving it to people that will really be able to care for it or aborting it if you don't think you can go through adoption.
As for the second part, BlueTimberwolf said everything I feel. Edit: sans the sex ed part, we should obviously have those classes but you also assume your own responsibility if you decide to have sex.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Everyone knows sex makes babies. If you don't take the precautions to protect yourself THAT'S YOUR FAULT, not society's for not giving you a sex ed class. Everyone is not going to get one. No should have to tell you to seek out knowledge. You can't get pregnant and then be like "no one told me how to use condoms". You need get off you lazy bottom and ask someone how to use one, be it a parent, school official, medical professional, or the internet.
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Member Since: 3/8/2012
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Originally posted by KoreanDream
i apologize if you were offended but i'm not making you sound like a soulless human being, please stop taking what i say beyond what it is
i'm not saying you don't understand sexual pressure, all i'm saying is if you haven't been a teen straight girl you don't understand the pressure to have sex as a teen straight girl
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Ok but what does have to view it from a straight girl have to do with what I know about teen pregnancy? I don't think its required to be a straight teen girl to understand the causes of teen pregnancy and there's that.
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