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News: Serena Williams exposed as disgusting victim blamer.
Member Since: 6/19/2012
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Originally posted by Jack!
Sigh.
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yeah, rape culture is depressing isn't it?
So stop perpetuating it.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
Posts: 15,562
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Originally posted by Ties
why are you comparing a credit card to rape
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Messss
I didn't even catch that
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Member Since: 5/14/2011
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The pop girls we stan for get drunk and always dress promiscuously. By your logic I guess they might as well get raped too because they didn't cover up? ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
Posts: 11,596
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Originally posted by Ties
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I'd love to know ![rip](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRLSmilies/rip_zpsec10ede9.gif)
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 9/14/2010
Posts: 78,921
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Originally posted by Ties
such as?
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Not getting so ****ing wasted that you're passed out?
All of these programmes that say exactly what we're saying should clearly be off-air if we're talking **** ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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The people attempting to equate rape with a violent crime is making a serious judgement error based on that mentality alone.
Look, rapists are, for the most part, normal people. A rapist can be that well-dresssed person next door, the person in front of you in the cash register, anyone can be a rapist. There is no form of dress nor behavior that separates a rapist from any other individual, and that's why the posters in this thread attempting to draw parallels are simply grasping at straws.
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Member Since: 6/15/2011
Posts: 5,842
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Originally posted by TheAqua
Oh boy....
Okay so lets just say I'm partly "blaming" the victim,in a way; You know whats right and you know whats wrong.Yes in human nature sometimes we get caught up in things that werent even meant to be,but all I AM saying is that no rape is not deserved,but chances are higher if you are carefree and reckless.
I understand that family members rape other family members in incest, babies, elderly etc I get it,but the difference is they aren't always intoxicated like this girl was. She was being sloppy,and was under the influence. If she hadn't been drunk and was sober,she probably could have left if she felt uncomfortable or told someone of harassment prior to the raping. BUT SINCE HER AS WAS FAULT OUT PASSED OUT that is what happened.
It's cause and effect bay,no more simpler than that.
Why are you so thick headed??? ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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You're calling me thick headed, but you keep repeating yourself, contradicting yourself and failing to get the point.
Rapists don't just target drunk girls. If she was sober, then what? It was her fault for hanging around them? Wearing clothes that made her too tempting And she was also drugged, how was that her fault? There's no "cause and effect" BS, these guys raped because they made the decision to rape her, period. You fail to understand that and insist and holding the victim responsible.
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Member Since: 6/23/2012
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Originally posted by Auraeolux
The pop girls we stan for get drunk and always dress promiscuously. By your logic I guess they might as well get raped too because they didn't cover up? ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Ooh yes, I guess Rihanna slapping her vadge on stage every night is an invitation for any guy in the crowd to run up on her and do what he pleases.
Remember, women aren't allowed to be sexy or anything because that basically says "do what you want with me!"
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Member Since: 5/7/2012
Posts: 8,404
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Originally posted by heartbeats
or maybe parents needs to start educating their children not to ****ing rape anyone ever
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uhhh... duh?
That should be a given. But look at what I said these people only care about sports and booze. Literally.
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Member Since: 7/15/2012
Posts: 5,955
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Originally posted by Callisto.
I mean...
ummm does no not mean no?
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Originally posted by LadyGagaStan93
Right!? ![lmao](http://atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/lmao.gif) as if because you changed your mind, it doesn't mean anything anymore.
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Ya'll know what I meant.
Some of these teenage girls get in a situation and wanna change their mind at the LAST minute,and then the boys that they are having a threesome/orgies with won't let them leave.It's too late then. I didn't condone that,it was another example of bad decisions.
Threesomes are gross anyways.. ![Bibliotheque](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ATRL_Smilies_All/atrlers/biblio_zps23dff242.gif)
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Member Since: 6/19/2012
Posts: 29,579
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Originally posted by heartbeats
or maybe parents needs to start educating their children not to ****ing rape anyone ever
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Exactly. A lot of people don't even know that having sex with someone drunk is rape.
We've spent years telling women not to dress like '****s', to not drink, not to stay out late, and such.
But we haven't put half of that effort into educating the public about what rape is, why it's wrong, etc.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
Posts: 52,363
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Originally posted by Ties
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females should clearly wear chastity belts when going in public or at least sew up their holes
If they don't then they are putting themselves in a dangerous situation that is only her fault...Duh!!!!
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
Posts: 10,076
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
im a guy and can defend myself perfectly...I don't need back up
The only time I need back up is when I want to gang rape a girl who passed out because she brought it on her self
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WHAT ![confused](http://www.atrl.net/forums/images/smilies/images/smilies/confused.gif) All I'm saying is until we can change the ways of the rapists, we must do what we can to protect ourselves. Going to a club with a group of friends you trust is one way of doing so. Obviously the rapists need to change, but we don't live in that idealistic world just yet.
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by BLaCKPoWeR
Nah. This doesn't work.
Walking into a dangerous neighborhood whilst strapped with cash is not the same thing as being drunken and raped. It is very likely that you will know which neighborhoods are dangerous and it is your responsibility to know. There is no way for a girl to know which man will rape her - it could be her own father whom she loves dearly! It is certainly not a girl's responsibility to interview and investigate every man she encounters - and that's what she would have to do if she wanted to know where it would be safe to be drunk because again, you never know who will rape you.
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But if you're going to a party with people you've never met, wouldn't it be common sense to not get completely trashed? There's a difference between getting buzzed and getting DRUNK TO THE POINT OF PASSING OUT!!! She looked almost dead, that's how drunk she was. There are disgusting people out there who will take advantage of your body at the first chance (especially a vulnerable female). Unfortunately, you can't change the world from having disgusting people but you CAN choose to have responsibility and be aware of your surroundings. It's just not smart to get wasted at a high school party. It's not her fault, but it's common sense to not get inebriated. Also, what kind of friends just let that happen to her? Horrific.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Yall doing a bit too munch on both sides.
The victim shouldn't be blamed, but there is nothing wrong with saying some girls (& some boys) should analyze their situation and make sure it is a good idea because as you can see from this thread people's opinions on rape alone is a little misguided. You can't expect for people to be on your side so just take pre caution that's common sense, but if you don't do that it's ok because there is nothing wrong with expecting people to be actual decent human beings, but in this world everyone does not think in a decent way.
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Member Since: 10/28/2011
Posts: 21,283
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Originally posted by Javan
You don't have to know which man would rape you. But you would be aware of the obvious risk. So it does work.
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Knowing who might rape you and knowing the risk of rape is the same thing.
Your post does NOT work.
I live in quite a nice neighborhood and I've been held up at gun point. I wasn't walking with money or electronics either. It wasn't my fault. There was nothing I could have done to stop it from happening.
I saw the people coming, but they could have been perfectly nice law-abiding citizens. You never know who will do what.
You can't significantly lower the chances of rape, which is why it can't be the victim's fault.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
Posts: 27,495
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Originally posted by Ties
why are you comparing a credit card to rape
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I'm comparing preventable rape to preventable identity theft.
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
Thoughtful decisions over what? No one should worry about being raped, no one should make decisions to prevent rape. It is the rapist who should control himself, not the potential victim.
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I shouldn't have to worry about shredding/destroying my bank account details before I throw it in the trash, if someone uses it against my will or robs me blind, it's there fault. I did nothing wrong. Why should I make decisions to prevent it?
Do you see how that doesn't work. You can't expect everyone to be good to you. People shouldn't rape, people shoudn't con, people shouldn't thieve. People shouldn't do a lot of things. But they do. But if you could have taken steps to prevent it, and you dont.....
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Member Since: 9/14/2010
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Member Since: 2/18/2012
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Originally posted by Artemisia
yeah, rape culture is depressing isn't it?
So stop perpetuating it.
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I'm not even going to start again though, it's at the point where people need to agree to disagree. I said what I said, and so many people are putting words in others mouths.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
Posts: 6,046
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Originally posted by J a y
Not getting so ****ing wasted that you're passed out?
All of these programmes that say exactly what we're saying should clearly be off-air if we're talking **** ![psyduck](images/smilies/images/smilies/psyduck.gif)
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The problem with that type of thinking is this: Why should people have free reign to do whatever that they please to that girl simply because she was under the influence? Why would it matter if she was passed out voluntarily or not? That does not condone anyone to take action against your body without your consent.
These "preventative" measures are simply ways for people to feel that much better about themselves, because, we can control everything that happens to us right? There is no reason to blame her for the actions prior to her actually being raped, that is victim blaming. All of us in this thread agree, that yes, it was disgusting behavior on the rapists' part, but why should we put that blame on the girl, herself?
Even then, she was drugged. It wasn't voluntarily.
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