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ATRL: Has Katy Perry's Success This Era Been Well Deserved?
Member Since: 12/19/2011
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I don't really like Katy, but Teenage Dream is a very awesome album! One of the best albums from a popular pop artist. But seriously, I don't think it's as good Michael Jackson's "Bad." Any artist would have 5 consecutive number ones with all the remixes, price drops, and performances. Honestly, if Gaga or Rihanna did this with one of their singles, they'd hit number one instantly! So, overall, I think Katy doesn't deserve the success. Her album isn't worth 5 consecutive number ones, I'd say more like 2 or 3.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I don't really like Katy, but Teenage Dream is a very awesome album! One of the best albums from a popular pop artist. But seriously, I don't think it's as good Michael Jackson's "Bad." Any artist would have 5 consecutive number ones with all the remixes, price drops, and performances. Honestly, if Gaga or Rihanna did this with one of their singles, they'd hit number one instantly! So, overall, I think Katy doesn't deserve the success. Her album isn't worth 5 consecutive number ones, I'd say more like 2 or 3.
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None of Gaga's songs were ever close enough this era...
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Originally posted by cheers09
that is so used and so old. gurl bye
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Well, prostitution is the oldest and most used profession in the world, so I guess the score's even.
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If she had the success, that means she deserved the success. It's as simple as that.
She has a great label and great producers + songwriters backing her, but what star doesn't have good handlers?
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Katy Perry is an example of what can happen of you play the game and play it well. Backed by numerous hit making machine's of today's music market, Katy's goal to become a successful pop star was accomplished. Add together one label determined to milk as much cash as any typical business with a profitable product, Katy's success was determined before the album was even released. In that sense, the success Katy has been receiving is deserved.
I am not the biggest fan of the Teenage Dream era, especially since One of the Boys was raw and inspired. Katy was tapping into her potential on that album. In terms of being an artist, Katy doesn't deserve the success. I prefer her OotB era because it seemed more personal and less like everything else around it. But Katy is a profitable product who is doing what she needs to do to succeed.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
I am not the biggest fan of the Teenage Dream era, especially since One of the Boys was raw and inspired. Katy was tapping into her potential on that album. In terms of being an artist, Katy doesn't deserve the success. I prefer her OotB era because it seemed more personal and less like everything else around it. But Katy is a profitable product who is doing what she needs to do to succeed.
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1/2 of OOTB came off as insincere to me.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
1/2 of OOTB came off as insincere to me.
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I don't really see how. I felt as though she was writing to...well write. I defended her plenty during that era. Then she released Tik Toc chapter 2 and I knew I wouldn't be too crazy about this era. Nothing about TD is sincere for me, with Hummingbird Heartbeat and Who Am I Living For? being rare exceptions.
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Member Since: 8/16/2010
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Katy Perry is an example of what can happen of you play the game and play it well. Backed by numerous hit making machine's of today's music market, Katy's goal to become a successful pop star was accomplished. Add together one label determined to milk as much cash as any typical business with a profitable product, Katy's success was determined before the album was even released. In that sense, the success Katy has been receiving is deserved.
I am not the biggest fan of the Teenage Dream era, especially since One of the Boys was raw and inspired. Katy was tapping into her potential on that album. In terms of being an artist, Katy doesn't deserve the success. I prefer her OotB era because it seemed more personal and less like everything else around it. But Katy is a profitable product who is doing what she needs to do to succeed.
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I agree.
This era have been perfectly planned
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
I don't really see how. I felt as though she was writing to...well write. I defended her plenty during that era. Then she released Tik Toc chapter 2 and I knew I wouldn't be too crazy about this era. Nothing about TD is sincere for me, with Hummingbird Heartbeat and Who Am I Living For? being rare exceptions.
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Tik Tok chapter 2? Puh-lease, if you're going to throw shade at Katy do it right. CG was Trouble chapter 2. Tik Tok stole it from Trouble too.
And I don't know how you see Pearl, Not Like The Movies, ET, TD, Firework as insincere.
Plus, LFN is actually about her past life (except for the manage a trois), and CG was intended as an answer song.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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I don't know... I have a hard time believing Capitol planned on having 6 #1s. If they really wanted that, they should have kept Dressing Up and Part of Me.
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Yes! she has worked extremely hard this era so she deserves it.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
None of Gaga's songs were ever close enough this era...
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I'd say if You and I or Edge of Glory in iTunes were cheaper, and got multiple remixes, they'd be number one too. Seriously, TEOG peaked at 3! All it needed was a little push to get up to number one. Same with You and I, it would've needed a little more time to reach number one.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Katy Perry is an example of what can happen of you play the game and play it well. Backed by numerous hit making machine's of today's music market, Katy's goal to become a successful pop star was accomplished. Add together one label determined to milk as much cash as any typical business with a profitable product, Katy's success was determined before the album was even released. In that sense, the success Katy has been receiving is deserved.
I am not the biggest fan of the Teenage Dream era, especially since One of the Boys was raw and inspired. Katy was tapping into her potential on that album. In terms of being an artist, Katy doesn't deserve the success. I prefer her OotB era because it seemed more personal and less like everything else around it. But Katy is a profitable product who is doing what she needs to do to succeed.
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AGREE 100% Of course, she needed help from Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, Miss Elliot, and B.O.B. So I don't think she can walk around and say, "I tied MJ's record, and I did it all by myself!" She has those rappers to give credit too.
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Member Since: 4/2/2011
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California Dreams, Teenage Dream, The One That Got Away, and E.T. are all good songs. Does she deserve the success? Why not? I don't like her, but I'm not one to say she doesn't deserve it because that doesn't make much sense.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I really want Gaga to go back to TF/M, but for some reason I doubt she will. I don't think she cares that much about commercial performance.
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Why not? I'm still a fan of Gaga, although I liked her better in her TFM era. Her music are still good, but something about TF and TFM were just so different. She'll probably realize her popularity was stronger in her older era than in 2011, so she'll go back to TFM. Of course, I think that's what's gonna happen.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
Tik Tok chapter 2? Puh-lease, if you're going to throw shade at Katy do it right. CG was Trouble chapter 2. Tik Tok stole it from Trouble too.
And I don't know how you see Pearl, Not Like The Movies, ET, TD, Firework as insincere.
Plus, LFN is actually about her past life (except for the manage a trois), and CG was intended as an answer song.
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Oh my god, the delusion Tik Toc was the biggest hit...of course Dr. Luke wanted to recreate it. So did everyone else Let's not kid ourselves. Kesha led this, not Katy. Had TT flopped, there would be no CG.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
I don't know... I have a hard time believing Capitol planned on having 6 #1s. If they really wanted that, they should have kept Dressing Up and Part of Me.
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Capitol was dead on it. TD was designed to do exactly what it did. Everybody won.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
I'd say if You and I or Edge of Glory in iTunes were cheaper, and got multiple remixes, they'd be number one too. Seriously, TEOG peaked at 3! All it needed was a little push to get up to number one. Same with You and I, it would've needed a little more time to reach number one.
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TEOG debuted at #3. If they discounted it and remixed it in the first week before the album was out, I think that would be seen as even more desperate than what Katy has done... Plus, at the time it wouldn't have made sense. Seeing how it started off so well digitally they probably thought it could have went there by itself. The following week it fell out of the top 10 (almost top 20). After that, it never made it back in the top 5 and competition was to tight when it was peaking on radio.
Unless it was a good remix, like TTWE. She couldn't have gotten a #1 with a ****** remix like Katy has been doing.
Y&I... come on... only the music video increased sales. The VMA performance made little difference.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
AGREE 100% Of course, she needed help from Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, Miss Elliot, and B.O.B. So I don't think she can walk around and say, "I tied MJ's record, and I did it all by myself!" She has those rappers to give credit too.
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Really? CG would have gone #1 with out Snoop Dogg. Almost everyone says the original ET is better. Last Friday Night went #1 pretty much everywhere. TOTGA, yea that was pathetic.
Plus, when MJ did it, Billboard only measured sales. If they still did that, LFN would have went #1 in June and not need a remix.
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Member Since: 4/2/2011
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
Why not? I'm still a fan of Gaga, although I liked her better in her TFM era. Her music are still good, but something about TF and TFM were just so different. She'll probably realize her popularity was stronger in her older era than in 2011, so she'll go back to TFM. Of course, I think that's what's gonna happen.
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Three consecutive years with one of the two highest-selling albums. Her popularity has gone nowhere. Gaga, unlike her contemporaries, can sell albums without massive singles and Gaga knows that.
The fact is, since Katy's fanbase isn't massive and/or dedicated, she will have to continue making the type of music she did with TD if she wants to keep up momentum. Her label is money and fame-hungry, so they will do everything in their power (payola, remixes, discounts) to keep her on top. But, you know, who cares? That's the name of the game.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
Oh my god, the delusion Tik Toc was the biggest hit...of course Dr. Luke wanted to recreate it. So did everyone else Let's not kid ourselves. Kesha led this, not Katy. Had TT flopped, there would be no CG.
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You didn't get the joke.....
Have you not listened to Britney's Trouble?
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