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Discussion: "Manufactured" Artists
Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
Its own genre says so.
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Do crossovers not exist? Do TLC and Destiny's Child not exist?
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Vocal ability has been placed to the side in recent years, but how do you think Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Aretha Franklin, Barbra Streisand, Patti LaBelle and many other vocalists became popular or made it through the industry? It surely because of costumes or shaking ass on stage. Vocal ability was essential to cementing a spot in the music industry at one point.
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Mariah uses sex appeal
And I was referring to the music industry now. Look at how many talented artists get turned down because they don't have the "look".
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Member Since: 10/28/2009
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Originally posted by IfICannot Love♥
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you know what...
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 5/28/2011
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Originally posted by Kats
If I got it mixed up, than so did Katy. She has stated that TD is more mature and "love"-type, she said OOTB was basically all fun, and TD was more serious yet still had some fun in it, hence CG, LFN, and Peacock.
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That says enough about her.
Seriously, OOTB felt a lot more... serious. It also wasn't exactly made for pop listeners today.
And then TD came up... and the songs, the production, the videos... Etc. Say what you'd like.
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Member Since: 1/12/2011
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Originally posted by BadBitch
All i know is Rihanna is not manufactured. No label puppet goes from innocent Carribean Beyonce clone to rebelling and cutting their hair short black, wearing edgy cloth and changing their whole sound.
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They were cashing in on the Pop takeover just taking off. And when LOUD started they were cashing in on Urban and Pop audiences. LA Reid said the latter himself. And now they are most likely going to cash in on her fanbase in Europe.
What do you think these image/ sound changes are for?
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Member Since: 9/13/2011
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Originally posted by Kats
Well, you sure don't show it. That or you think you know it. Your always going on about her in your posts, and no it isn't. Because I have the facts behind why Katy isn't as manufactured as you think, she deals with all her fashion, songs, and put together the CDT. You can't tell me she is fully "manufactured" unless we have different definitions.
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What and who are you talking about??U have me confused bcuz I never talk about Katy in my post. So that's a bold face lie.
Katy is manufactured.
Why does it bother you au much??
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Artists like Lady Gaga and Beyonce would not fall under the category of manufactured, necessarily. Maybe some my classify them as "gimmicky", but I I wouldn't necessarily associate that with being manufactured. These artists have a personality that shows through in their music, they write, and put their own personal touch that just can't be done with anyone else. These artists are defined.
A manufactured artist is one that has no original thought or artistry of their own incorporated into their music. They're basically pigs with lipstick on them and thrown into the forefront as what's "hot" or "trendy".
Artists like Katy Perry are an excellent example of this. Katy's music is all generic fluff and has no substance whatsoever. You could take one of her songs and pass it along to the next flash-in-the-pan and it would be just as good. It's for the purpose of making cash, not being remembered or making any sort of mark in the industry. And in terms of Hip-Hop, artists like Flo Rida would fall into that category as well. Britney is a heavily manufactured artist as well, but she had a distinct quality of hers that made her stand out from the rest of her niche, which is why she managed to stay on for so long.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Cheers
Mariah uses sex appeal
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Mariah uses her sex appeal in a very classy way. she doesnt open her legs for anybody, they are always closed
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Member Since: 6/1/2010
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Originally posted by Cheers
Mariah uses sex appeal
And I was referring to the music industry now. Look at how many talented artists get turned down because they don't have the "look".
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Mariah didn't use sex appeal during her first two eras of her career. And regardless, Mariah is more known for her vocal abilities than her sex appeal.
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by crumprKID
But if Bey didn't have a body, as in a built body, she wouldn't be a good performer. She would not be able to dance and she wouldn't have the same stage presence. I don't understand how you don't comprehend that. Her being thin doesn't give her the ability to dance, it's the fact she is in shape and flexible. (which she would be if she wasn't built)
But whateva. I agree with what Cheers said.
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How would you know that?
Being skinny doesn't mean you're in shape
Being heavier doesn't mean you're out of shape
You're assuming the smaller you are the the better your stage presence and performing skills will be, and that is definitely not true. I mean with all these skinny pop bitches onstage out of breathe just by walking from one end of the stage to the other how could you even think that?
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Member Since: 9/18/2011
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Originally posted by skyler
she uses her sex appeal in a classy way. she doesnt open her legs for anybody, they are always closed
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Oh? Did you spy on her every time she entered a studio? How would you know this?
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by IWasHere
What and who are you talking about??U have me confused bcuz I never talk about Katy in my post. So that's a bold face lie.
Katy is manufactured.
Why does it bother you au much??
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Talking about Gaga hun.
To an extent, like any other Pop star.
It doesn't, your the one that is replying to KatyKats comments saying she is the one who manufactured.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Teen Dreamer
Katy has expressed countless times after listening to 'Killer Queen', her view on life had a 360 degree spin. True, Katy sold out a bit; but it was not because her label pushed the idea. Katy said in an interview that since little she always wanted to do a huge pop record to make people dance and roller skate to her tracks, just like she recently said releasing a singer-songwriter based album is one of her goals for the future. Katy worked with Dr Luke since her first record, so you have no right to say she run desperately to him to get some hits; in fact, IKAG and HnC were two of his first smash hits, when at that time only Kelly Clarkson, Avril Lavigne used him
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Okay sis, I'll take this one
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Originally posted by Kats
We don't know exactly what Katy's "true nature is" unless you are her or closely around her. All you can do is speculate. I love how you talk like you were there, look , whether the label was looking to get money out of it or not, Katy always had something to do with her music. Then there's Hot N'Cold as well, also talking about relationships which is what a lot of TD is about. Some of the songs are like everything else out, I'll agree, but I won't agree the entire album is.
Because, Katy stated that OOTB was when she was younger and all she wanted to do was party and have fun, TD is more serious yet still has the fun factor in it, with a more serious tone. Yeah, your talking about one song off the album, the only type of songs on the albums are about three. Those would be California Gurls, Last Friday Night, and Peacock. All the other ones has less party theme to it.
In a sense, it is. The theme has been tired out constantly, not saying that Katy hasn't used the theme before as well, hence Firework, but BTW has a general lyric to me. Again, that's my personal opinion. Ah, yes, keep pulling out a piece of the album into the spotlight, play fair and consider the album as a whole.
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Come again
So I am very confused. One of the Boys is about Katy being a teenage girl, but Teenage Dream is about Katy being a woman? That makes no sense. You have it reverse. Teenage Dream is the reenactment of her teenage years - the fun years. Which is what the album is about. Even a song like Hummingbird Heartbeat...which is about recreating the loss of her virginity (which she probably lost as a teen). The One That Got Away teenager years, title name teenage years, and a whole bunch of other songs. Some filler songs might disagree, but I do not see how TD is in any light more adult like in comparison to OOTB...especially since Katy actually wrote the former.
Born This Way is not generic. Sure, there might be a few songs tailored to top 40 listeners, but overall the direction of the album was not meant to appeal to the same masses that Katy and Kesha appeal to. If that were the case, then she would not have worked with some unknowns - but done the exact opposite. That is what generic artists do. They work with the big guns to produce the big hits.
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Member Since: 9/11/2010
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Originally posted by Vin
Yes, Blueberry. Thank you for this post.
...Vin
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Just trying to spill the tea early on before the delusion sets it.
On a side note, this has to be one of the most intelligent and relevant conversations of the past year. Thank you kindly, Vin, darling.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by crumprKID
But if Bey didn't have a body, as in a built body, she wouldn't be a good performer. She would not be able to dance and she wouldn't have the same stage presence. I don't understand how you don't comprehend that. Her being thin doesn't give her the ability to dance, it's the fact she is in shape and flexible. (which she would be if she wasn't built)
But whateva. I agree with what Cheers said.
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I guess that means Missy Elliot is a horrible dancer.
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Member Since: 12/28/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Mariah didn't use sex appeal during her first two eras of her career. And regardless, Mariah is more known for her vocal abilities than her sex appeal.
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he doesnt get it
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Originally posted by Cheers
Oh? Did you spy on her every time she entered a studio? How would you know this?
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I know this because she not that type of person thats why .
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Member Since: 10/7/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
]Artists like Katy Perry are an excellent example of this. Katy's music is all fluff and has no substance whatsoever. It's for the purpose of making cash, not being remembered or making any sort of mark in the industry. And in terms of Hip-Hop, artists like Flo Rida would fall into that category as well. Britney is a heavily manufactured artist as well, but she had a distinct quality of hers that made her stand out from the rest of her niche, which is why she managed to stay on for so long.
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Thinking of You? Didn't make nearly the money all the other's have, yet she still decided to release it because it meant something to her. Firework, has no substance? The One That Got Away has no substance? Not Like The Movies has no substance? I will agree LFN and CG aren't really meaningful, but Katy has stated they aren't supposed to have meaning. There supposed to be fun songs to dance to, no more, no less.
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Member Since: 6/10/2010
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Originally posted by Belle
Do crossovers not exist? Do TLC and Destiny's Child not exist?
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They may have had a few singles here and there but they never did a full POP/Dance album like GGGB. Rihanna was the first of her kind in the 00's. Even David Guetta agrees.
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Member Since: 5/21/2009
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Mariah didn't use sex appeal during her first two eras of her career. And regardless, Mariah is more known for her vocal abilities than her sex appeal.
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Mariah's voice is what made her the best selling artist of her decade and gave her the #1 song of the 2000s, not her looks.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Not Beyonce.
Ever since DC, she was doing her own thing.
DIL: Going against her companies better judgement and releasing what they considered "flop" material.
B'Day: Writing all the songs with her team in 2 weeks on her own dime without the record company knowing.
I Am... Sasha Fierce: Trying a new sound almost disconnected from her previous two albums.
4: Making music for the soul as opposed to fast-food disposable music.
Kings do as they please.
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