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Poll: Will you support Hillary Clinton?
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View Poll Results: Will you support Hillary Clinton in the presidential race?
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Yes, I will support the first woman nominee in history, Hillary Rodham Clinton
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No, I will not support her. I am voting for Trump/Not voting at all
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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I'm sorry but Bush is a war criminal and Obama definitely has innocent blood on his hands. Hillary will obviously follow suit. Westerners get desensitised because they don't relate to brown people, but make no mistake about it. What they do is murder. Bernie seems much less heavy handed.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Javan
I'm sorry but Bush is a war criminal and Obama definitely has innocent blood on his hands. Hillary will obviously follow suit. Westerners get desensitised because they don't relate to brown people, but make no mistake about it. What they do is murder. Bernie seems much less heavy handed.
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Obama can't relate to brown people? Interesting...
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Originally posted by ZeroSuitBritney
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So yeah, I read that article, and at no point did she say what you claimed she did. While I don't support Israel's actions and I thank you for sharing your experience, I don't find it appropriate to misconstrue statements in order to capitalize on this tragedy.
Can you explain to me why you think that Trump would be a better option for this country, or for the Israeli-Palestine conflict? Because again, it's her or him, and I find it very hard to believe he'd be better for Palestine.
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Originally posted by ZeroSuitBritney
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You won't hear it on the news because your source is a BLOG post.
If you bothered to check what Clinton said, she said the forces that provoke Israel often pretend to be civilians. That's different from saying "dead children are terrorists" Do you dispute that?
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Not American but yes! It's about time!
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
Obama can't relate to brown people? Interesting...
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I'd like to think you're smart enough to know I wasn't referring to African Americans. Speaking of, what has he done for that community outside of jibber jabber and appointments?
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Bloo
You know, Congress would have blockaded Bernie's idea of change regardless, right? Our entire government is not set up for radical change. We're set up for incremental change.
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So what are the excuses of all the other countries that have implemented such policies? Why are you content with someone you know will only do an increment instead of the person, admittedly won't probably get it accomplished to such a level, would undoubtedly kick start it? You can call Hillary pragmatic, but it's hard to say she'll get ideals passed when she's even more hated than Obama by the right, and we know they fought him tooth and nail for all his 8 years.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Redstreak
So what are the excuses of all the other countries that have implemented such policies?
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Maybe the US is nothing like most of those countries? 
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Why are you content with someone you know will only do an increment instead of the person, admittedly won't probably get it accomplished to such a level, would undoubtedly kick start it? You can't Hillary as pragmatic, but it's hard to say she'll get ideals passed when she's even more hated that Obama by the right, and we know they fought him tooth and nail for all his 8 years.
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I'd rather see change, then just listen to talk about it. 
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Redstreak
So what are the excuses of all the other countries that have implemented such policies? Why are you content with someone you know will only do an increment instead of the person, admittedly won't probably get it accomplished to such a level, would undoubtedly kick start it? You can't Hillary as pragmatic, but it's hard to say she'll get ideals passed when she's even more hated that Obama by the right, and we know they fought him tooth and nail for all his 8 years.
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It's not about our end goals and our ideals, its about the literal fact that Congress is structured in such a way that the changes he is proposing can not happen right now. We need to fix the gerrymandering of the districts, we need to increase voter turnout, and then after all that, we need to vote out GOP Senators and Representatives before we even have a legislative branch that could pass anything Bernie has proposed. We have to go with incremental change, it's not a choice.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by FOCK
Why do Americans feel they have no choice?
The U.S. claims to be a democracy. Democracy is a choice. Australians have shown their outrage at previous PM's conducts & overturned them successfully several times.
You have a choice. Both Hillary & Trump are horrible candidates that have risen to the top based on nothing but media presence, the backing of huge corporations & the fact that the people have been led to believe these are their only choices.
Americans need to stop settling for the lesser of two evils & actually voice their opinions & elect somebody worthy of representing them.
I'm just dumbfounded that these people have been able to get so far based on their track records. Where is the outrage? Where is the call for change? Why have the people of the US been forced to accept crappy, hateful & pro-war leaders time & time again?
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I 100% agree with this.
Not sure about Trump but Hilary just over-pandered everyone basically. She is doing EVERYTHING she can. I can smell her thirst for power for kilometres to my home country (which will surely be influenced by American decisions - cos lets not lie to ourselves USA is the most influental country)
Also I get the fagets on ATRL like her cos "she is blonde" and "she is a strong independant woman" ....but most of them don't see her real ambitions yet.
Anyway - Trump - I'm puking
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Redstreak
So what are the excuses of all the other countries that have implemented such policies? Why are you content with someone you know will only do an increment instead of the person, admittedly won't probably get it accomplished to such a level, would undoubtedly kick start it? You can't Hillary as pragmatic, but it's hard to say she'll get ideals passed when she's even more hated that Obama by the right, and we know they fought him tooth and nail for all his 8 years.
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The excuse for other countries is that they don't have a GOP congress and senate blocking progressive changes. It won't star the ball rolling when Bernie takes office, the GOP are NEVER going to go for free education and universal health care, ever.
I can call Hillary Pragmatic because she's spending time and money on helping other democrats get elected. Bernie has spent 0 time and 0 money. Once the dems take back the house and senate, she can pass whatever she wants - that's when you'll get a revolution.
Sanders running and not educating his supporters about voting down ballott has caused several extreme right GOP members to keep their seats. Exist polls show Hillary supporters vote down ballot, they help re elect dems. Sanders supporters tick Bernie and then leave. It's grossly irresponsible
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Valera
Also I get the fagets on ATRL like her cos "she is blonde"
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Originally posted by ZeroSuitBritney
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Hmmm. Hamas did use human shields tho. But at the same time that's very different than saying the terrorists dressed as civilians. That almost sounds like she is trying to whitewash the injustices by villainising the victims. Or perhaps that quote was taken out of context. Idk Benghazi proved that she's willing to frame events in falsehoods for political gain.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Valera
I 100% agree with this.
Not sure about Trump but Hilary just over-pandered everyone basically. She is doing EVERYTHING she can. I can smell her thirst for power for kilometres to my home country (which will surely be influenced by American decisions - cos lets not lie to ourselves USA is the most influental country)
Also I get the fagets on ATRL like her cos "she is blonde" and "she is a strong independant woman" ....but most of them don't see her real ambitions yet.
Anyway - Trump - I'm puking
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Examples?
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by Valera
Also I get the fagets on ATRL like her cos "she is blonde" and "she is a strong independant woman" ....but most of them don't see her real ambitions yet.
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Take a seat. Many of us "fagets" actually read about all of this and even discuss it in a politics thread on here that I never see you participate in. We're well-informed on the issues and not just voting for her because "she's a blonde". In fact, plenty of Hillary supporters in that thread supported Obama in 2008, don't even try and come with that pathetic attempt at shade by using stereotypes. It does not make you look enlightened or intelligent.
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ATRL Senior Member
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Originally posted by Javan
Hmmm. Hamas did use human shields tho. But at the same time that's very different than saying the terrorists dressed as civilians. That almost sounds like she is trying to whitewash the injustices by villainising the victims. Or perhaps that quote was taken out of context. Idk Benghazi proved that she's willing to frame events in falsehoods for political gain.
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Javan, stop this. You literally know this to be false, we've argued more than enough times.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Retro
Javan, stop this. You literally know this to be false, we've argued more than enough times.
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What are you on about? I never once discussed the her lies in Benghazi I only really looked into it today, I overlooked the scandal because Bernie never used it, so I assume it was a myth but apparently not.
So are you telling me all 4 of those families were lying? I haven't seen any compelling evidence in Hillary's defence.
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Originally posted by Javan
What are you on about? I never once discussed the her lies in Benghazi I only really looked into it today, I overlooked the scandal because Bernie never used it, so I assume it was a myth but apparently not.
So are you telling me all 4 of those families were lying? I haven't seen any compelling evidence in Hillary's defence. |
She hasn't lied about Benghazi.  There's eleven straight hours of testimony on Benghazi that makes it crystal clear that the requests for more security were denied at levels below her without her seeing one request. That's it. That's the whole scandal explained.
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Originally posted by Retro
So yeah, I read that article, and at no point did she say what you claimed she did. While I don't support Israel's actions and I thank you for sharing your experience, I don't find it appropriate to misconstrue statements in order to capitalize on this tragedy.
Can you explain to me why you think that Trump would be a better option for this country, or for the Israeli-Palestine conflict? Because again, it's her or him, and I find it very hard to believe he'd be better for Palestine.
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Did I ever say Trump would be better for this country? Of course he wouldn't. In regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I find equally awful. I don't trust him or her when it comes to Palestine, or the country. I refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. So no, a vote against Hillary is not a vote for Trump. It's just not a vote at all. I can still do what feels right in my mind and vote Bernie as a write-in in November 
I don't support ANY candidate who doesn't support my country. ANY candidate who is slowly watching my country diminish while civilians are dying and will continue to support it in order to be on the public's "good side" is no leader for me. Sorry.
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Originally posted by ThePopPrince
You won't hear it on the news because your source is a BLOG post.
If you bothered to check what Clinton said, she said the forces that provoke Israel often pretend to be civilians. That's different from saying "dead children are terrorists" Do you dispute that?
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/10/politi...ed-convention/
Correct, it isn't exactly the same, but has she ever mentioned the amount of dead civilians, including women and children who died from that conflict alone? She fails to ever mention that 95%> of the dead from summer Israel-Palestine conflict were Palestinians. She is making it seem like Palestine is ENTIRELY in the wrong, and doesn't show and grief for those innocent (which majority were innocent) who lost their lives. So as she refuses to talk about that, she continues to talk to Palestine with words like terrorists, Hamas, etc goes to show that she seems them all as the same.
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Originally posted by Javan
Hmmm. Hamas did use human shields tho. But at the same time that's very different than saying the terrorists dressed as civilians. That almost sounds like she is trying to whitewash the injustices by villainising the victims. Or perhaps that quote was taken out of context. Idk Benghazi proved that she's willing to frame events in falsehoods for political gain.
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And most of the "human shields" Israeli was saying Hamas was using were people who refused to leave their homes and belongings behind when they were warned from Israel to leave because they would soon be attacking their area.
Google image 'Israel using human shields"
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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I will vote for her because a vote for anyone but her (sorry, Jill Stein) is a vote for Trump.
I hate the two party system.
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