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Poll: Would you sacrifice BEYONCÉ sales for a top ten hit?
View Poll Results: Would you sacrifice some sales from "BEYONCÉ" for a Top 10?
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Honestly, I would. Not seeing Beyoncé in the Top 10 never really feels right.
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Not a chance. "BEYONCÉ" is platinum and critically-acclaimed. Who cares about a Top 10?
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Member Since: 6/4/2010
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
You asked if we would trade the album success for single success.
The answer is no. Changing the subject isn't going to make the question any less dumb.
Dark Side Of The Moon had no top 10 hits. No intelligent person would trade that album success for a top 10 hit.
What Beyonce has already done is far better for her legacy than a top 10 hit. A top 10 hit would be nice, but it is completely unnecessary at this point. She's already made history. Period. Trading that for a top 10 hit would be stupid.
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And why would I trade this
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#1 in 111 countries
#1 in 108 countries simultaneously
Fastest selling album in the history of the iTunes Store, selling 828,773 copies worldwide in just three days.
+1,000,000 sold in 5 1/2 days through iTunes (WW)
80,000 sold in 3 hours through iTunes (US)
430,000 sold in 24 hours through iTunes (US)
617,000 sold in 3 days through iTunes (US)
68,000 sold in 2 days through iTunes (UK)
35,000 sold in 3 days through iTunes (Canada)
12,100 sold in 2 days through iTunes (France)
24th Biggest-Selling Album of 2013 with only 3 days of sale (US)
Best selling female album of 2013 (US)
First artist in history with digital-only week sales over 1 million
"BEYONCÉ" is only the second digital-only album to hit No. 1 on the Billboard 200
2nd best selling album of 2013 on iTunes
Biggest female debut of 2013 (WW)
Biggest female debut of 2013 (US)
Biggest female debut of 2013 (UK)
Beyoncé's fifth consecutive number-one album
First female ever to hit #1 with her first 5 studio albums
Beyoncé's highest first-week sales
4th best debut week of 2013 (US)
2nd highest first-week digital sales in the US*
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For a spot in the Top 10? And if any of the singles do go Top 10 this era they will just be songs that went Top 10. There would be nothing game changing, recorded breaking or historic about them.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
You asked if we would trade the album success for single success.
The answer is no. Changing the subject isn't going to make the question any less dumb.
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You sound a little defensive, son.
Reading comprehension, it is your best friend, no? Revisit the first post and reread the question. It
asks would you trade some of the sales, and if so, how many? Whether the album is successful
or not is purely up to the member. I did not define "the number" in any way. For instance, a
680K debut and a hit single is still a successful album. "A" for effort on your part, though.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
You sound a little defensive, son.
Reading comprehension, it is your best friend, no? Revisit the first post and reread the question. It
asks would you trade some of the sales, and if so, how many? Whether the album is successful
or not is purely up to the member. I did not define "the number" in any way. For instance, a
680K debut and a hit single is still a successful album. "A" for effort on your part, though.
...Vin
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He has already MORE than stated his opinion on the issue as did all the people who voted in the poll
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Originally posted by Drais.
And yet all everyone can talk about is how Artpop (the album) is underperforming. Most people probably don't even know "Dope" went Top 10.
Albums > Singles
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oops.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
But that's not the question you asked.
You asked if we would trade the album success for single success. The answer is no. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint, or from the standpoint of Beyonce's legacy. It would be like asking Pink Floyd fans if they would trade Dark Side Of The Moon's album success for Money to have peaked in the top 10. It's a dumb question.
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I love how many points you made against Vin's arguments/questions and he STILL chooses not to answer you
This is such a stupid thread i swear
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How many Top 10s does Gaga have this era? And y'all are still calling her and the songs and the album a flop?
Yeah no thanks.
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The funny thing is Top 10 hits are here one day and gone the next. Look at the Top 10 right now half of those songs wont be remembered in 15 yrs. (Timber). Beyonce has iconic songs already established in her catalog
at this point she dosent need another hit when she's selling albums like a single. I personally am neutral if Bey dosent get any Top 10 hits I wont mind and if she does great.
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Also why does this Vin guy sign his posts??
It's stupid and annoying.
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Originally posted by Vin
Reading comprehension, it is your best friend, no?
...Vin
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
You asked if we would trade the album success for single success.
The answer is no. Changing the subject isn't going to make the question any less dumb.
Dark Side Of The Moon had no top 10 hits. No intelligent person would trade that album success for a top 10 hit.
What Beyonce has already done is far better for her legacy than a top 10 hit. A top 10 hit would be nice, but it is completely unnecessary at this point. She's already made history. Period. Trading that for a top 10 hit would be stupid.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
DSOTM had Money peak at #13, and Time didn't chart.
It's still sold 50 million copies to date.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
Money by Pink Floyd peaked at #13 on the Hot 100. Dark Side Of The Moon had no top 10 singles. Neither did OK Computer. Care to remind me again how those albums prove your point, and not mine?
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
But that's not the question you asked.
You asked if we would trade the album success for single success. The answer is no. It doesn't make sense from a financial standpoint, or from the standpoint of Beyonce's legacy. It would be like asking Pink Floyd fans if they would trade Dark Side Of The Moon's album success for Money to have peaked in the top 10. It's a dumb question.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
And releasing an album with absolutely no before-hand promotion has done that.
Having another hit single would not do anything for her. Releasing an album with no singles before hand is infinitely more advantageous for adding to a legacy than another top 10 hit. One is something that only Beyonce has done, the other is something that even Ke$ha has.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
But do you understand why doing something unique (releasing an album with no singles before hand) is more beneficial to Beyonce's legacy than doing something typical (getting another top 10 single?)
I mean she wins both ways if she gets the top 10 single within a few months, which she most likely will.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
No one is saying we'd be unhappy if she got another hit. It's just not necessary. This era is already historical/iconic/a "legacy" moment for her in a way that a top 10 single could never be.
If she went the conventional route and got a top 10 single before album release, this era would contribute less to her legacy, not more.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
And?
Bey's album is an exception as well. The unique release strategy and overwhelming financial success of the anti-campaign will keep it in the history of the music business, and will most likely keep the album in best-of-the-decade and best-of-2000s lists for a long time.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
1,000,000 x $15.99 > [(500,000 x $15.99) + (5,000,000 x $1.29)]
Even if she had the biggest hit single in the world, she'd bank a lot less.
So no, it would not be better. She'd have to sell 7,000,000 copies of the single to exceed the total from the album going platinum.
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
But what Bey's done hasn't stopped her from obtaining a hit single, that's still very possible for the era. DIL and XO are still climbing on radio despite the Christmas freeze, DIL is holding on well on iTunes, and I still think XO will increase gradually once it receives more radio play and traditional promotion. They're both getting a good amount of views on YouTube, and I'm sure the streaming on Spotify is nothing to scoff at either.
At the end of the day, it's much more beneficial to sell a million albums, especially at $15.99, then to sell 500,000 and have a "top 10 single," especially when you keep in mind that Applause was a top 10 single for weeks and hasn't even gone double platinum. There's just no way to make the numbers say that having a top 10 single would be better for Beyonce than her current situation.
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I would not trade any amount of sales for a hit single. No intelligent businessman or woman would. I have explained why more than 5 times. Do not come for my reading comprehension when you aren't able to respond to a single point I have made.
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Originally posted by suneclipse121
The funny thing is Top 10 hits are here one day and gone the next. Look at the Top 10 right now half of those songs wont be remembered in 15 yrs. (Timber).
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lol. I doubt TImber will even be remembered in 6 months tbh. Even now when it's supposedly really popular I never hear it.
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Originally posted by Vin
You sound a little defensive, son.
Reading comprehension, it is your best friend, no? Revisit the first post and reread the question. It
asks would you trade some of the sales, and if so, how many? Whether the album is successful
or not is purely up to the member. I did not define "the number" in any way. For instance, a
680K debut and a hit single is still a successful album. "A" for effort on your part, though.
...Vin
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J. YONCE clocked you with every reply you made in this thread and you STILL ask the same stupid thing over and over again. lol
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Originally posted by PULSE.
Having a top 10 or #1 single. Would be another great thing for this era + would even push more units. And I hope she gets them.
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Great response, PULSE. I agree.
People fail to remember that singles sell more units.
"21" sold plenty of albums, because of those MASSIVE singles.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
Great response, PULSE. I agree.
People fail to remember that singles sell more units.
"21" sold plenty of albums, because of those MASSIVE singles.
...Vin
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You still seem to be confused.
No one is saying we don't want a top 10 single at all. The question you asked is if we would trade the album success/release for a top 10 single. The answer is no. No one is willing to trade the historical album success and campaign for a top 10 single, because that would be dumb from both a financial and legacy perspective.
Give it 2 months, and Beyonce could very well have her historical album release and a top 10 single. What part of this is difficult for you to comprehend?
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Originally posted by Vin
Great response, PULSE. I agree.
People fail to remember that singles sell more units.
"21" sold plenty of albums, because of those MASSIVE singles.
...Vin
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But what about those albums that my fellow hive members posted that sold over 50 mil WW without any top 10 hits? Like are you oblivious to facts or something?
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Originally posted by Vin
Great response, PULSE. I agree.
People fail to remember that singles sell more units.
"21" sold plenty of albums, because of those MASSIVE singles.
...Vin
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Dark Side Of The Moon has sold more than 5x what 21 has with no top 10 singles.
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Originally posted by Tsuko
lol. I doubt TImber will even be remembered in 6 months tbh. Even now when it's supposedly really popular I never hear it.
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I could name people who have more Top 10s than Beyoncé but most of them will end up forgotten and won't have a legacy period. Beyoncé's album has been out for 10 days and has already outsold every major pop girl who released this year and had MULTIPLE hits. Some of these girls are struggling to sell albums even with hit singles.
If she gets a top 10, great
If she doesn't, great
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Originally posted by J. YONCÉ
Dark Side Of The Moon has sold more than 5x what 21 has with no top 10 singles.
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Internet didn't exist. Keep going, though.
...Vin
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Originally posted by Vin
Internet didn't exist. Keep going, though.
...Vin
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Could you please take the time to respond to some of my points from above that are relevant to the discussion? You seem to only be comfortable responding with irrelevant one-line asides that contribute nothing to the conversation. It creates the impression that you don't know what you're talking about, and are incapable of discussing the music business on a serious level.
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Originally posted by Vin
Internet didn't exist. Keep going, though.
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Why is that relevant? Even more reason it's amazing that they sold SO much without the impact of radio which was UNDENIABLY more important in that period.
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