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Poll: BIgger Anthem: Firework vs BTW
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View Poll Results: Bigger Anthem
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Firework
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Born This Way
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
Isn't "Firework" a best seller on the 4th of July? When was the last time Born This Way hit the top 40 on itunes?
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I mean, pretty much...
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It's not even worth saying anything when stans from both sides are using sales to declare which song is the anthem 
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Has the Star Spangled Banner ever been in the top 40 of iTunes? And it is more of an ANTHEM than these will ever be. See how sales don't matter in defining an anthem? Cool.
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Originally posted by SupahBass05
Isn't "Firework" a best seller on the 4th of July? When was the last time Born This Way hit the top 40 on itunes?
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But once you think about it though, it wasn't just the 4th of July that helped it. She was promoting her movie that time, and Madagscar 3 was promoting it as well.
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Originally posted by swissman
That's subjective reasoning. Just because you haven't heard people talk about Born this Way doesn't mean it isn't talked about. I personally haven't heard people talk about Firework since it came out but I am not claiming it's forgotten.
And people have been talking about Born this Way since it came out. Did you forget the Express Yourself comparisons and all the recent Madonna shade for it? It's not positive press perhaps, but its not forgotten.
Lastly, you're basically saying that Firework is more of an anthem because it's a holiday song. It's only been under 2 years since it came out so it's too soon to tell, but benefit of the doubt, it'll get a boost every year. However, no one sings 4th of July and New Years songs so it's not that relevant of a holiday song. Also, you perhaps forget that Born this Way is a gay anthem. And every year in cities all around the world, taking place during different weeks are Pride celebrations and Pride weeks, and I'm sure that this song is played at least once in every city.
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Firework also gets played at least once everyday.
They played Firework at the Olympics multiple times. They played Firework at the DNC convention and other big political events. They play Firework at sports events. They even play Firework at weddings. No Firework may not be a anthem for a certain group of people, but what made it success is that it's an anthem for everyone. Thus it is the bigger anthem.
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Originally posted by coolcristobal
But once you think about it though, it wasn't just the 4th of July that helped it. She was promoting her movie that time, and Madagscar 3 was promoting it as well.
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Not to mention she performed it on live television at the Macy's thing. 
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Originally posted by LP54
Firework also gets played at least once everyday.
They played Firework at the Olympics multiple times. They played Firework at the DNC convention and other big political events. They play Firework at sports events. They even play Firework at weddings. No Firework may not be a anthem for a certain group of people, but what made it success is that it's an anthem for everyone. Thus it is the bigger anthem.
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Firework being used as part of a political campaign, too. It's everywhere.
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Originally posted by ****ingbitch
Firework being used as part of a political campaign, too. It's everywhere.
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Your sig though 
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Originally posted by LP54
Firework also gets played at least once everyday.
They played Firework at the Olympics multiple times. They played Firework at the DNC convention and other big political events. They play Firework at sports events. They even play Firework at weddings. No Firework may not be a anthem for a certain group of people, but what made it success is that it's an anthem for everyone. Thus it is the bigger anthem.
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This really spells out how Firework is an anthem, and I see your points and agree with them.
Perhaps I would see this as a tie now between these two songs, though I still would side with Born this Way just because it's more specific of an anthem (even though it too is for everyone not just LGBT people), where as Firework being more broad, perhaps just feels like less of an anthem and more of a feel-good song, but that of course is just the way I look at it.
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Originally posted by MuhMuhMuhMarry
It's not even worth saying anything when stans from both sides are using sales to declare which song is the anthem |
Fireworks a club anthem the beat and is a feel happy anthem, the lyrics.
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Firework 
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I  to both but Firework is a bit more universal.
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Originally posted by swissman
This really spells out how Firework is an anthem, and I see your points and agree with them.
Perhaps I would see this as a tie now between these two songs, though I still would side with Born this Way just because it's more specific of an anthem (even though it too is for everyone not just LGBT people), where as Firework being more broad, perhaps just feels like less of an anthem and more of a feel-good song, but that of course is just the way I look at it.
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I understand where you are coming from and respect your opinion.
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I think Firework has more impact than Born This Way. It outsold BTW in the US by a large margin, had more longevity, will always be remembered every 4th of July and New Years, and will always be a standard song to perform on talent shows.
Can't say the same on Born This Way, although I know it's huge worldwide. I just think Firework will be remembered more than Born This Way.
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Firework, anthem of the post credit crunch generation Americans.
A journalist wrote 4 months after the release of Firework an article about the YouTube views of music video. It isn't just the music, relatable Katy or our fanbase. It's something bigger.
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On one side: horrifying unemployment numbers, the media's near-total lack of interest in unemployment and bankruptcies and foreclosures.
On the other: an inspirational message from someone with cred.
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This doesn't lead to 328 million people going to YouTube like others walk into a church or any other venue. A smaller amount of people is watching the video again and again and punching up the views. If they want to listen to the song, they could download the song and get a cheap mp3 player.
They want to watch the video. Some are little kids, but more are older teens, students, young adults,... They are most likely to feel hopeless, especially if what's happening around them reinforces their despair.
The first verses are clearly addressed to losers and Katy has none of that negativity.
The visuals filmed in an ex-commie country (sounds like a hellish place) where 38000 responded to a casting call (they submitted their own experience of overcoming an issue, e.g. traumatized by a sport accident). Every kid in the movie is as real as you, has/had a problem/issue and gets/got through it. Katy sings on the climax:
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Maybe the reason why all the doors are closed
So you could open one that leads you to the perfect road
Like a lightning bolt, your heart will blow
And when it's time, you'll know
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"Firework" was, on the MuchMusic list, the most popular video of 2010 --- not shabby for a video that wasn't released until October 28. For the week ending January 8, 2011, American downloads of "Firework" hit 509,000 --- the second highest ever. But it was the YouTube numbers that exploded in the months since January, and here, I'd suggest, is why:
TEEN UNEMPLOYMENT
In 25 states, the average teen unemployment rates are above 25 percent (January, 2011 figures). As for the national unemployment rate: it rose slightly in April to 9.0%. About 13.7 million workers are currently unemployed. If we count those who are long-term unemployed or no longer look for work, we could be talking about an unemployment rate of 15% --- the same rate as 1931, in the early stages of the Great Depression.
REAL ESTATE FORECLOSURES
Mortgage lenders repossessed one million homes in 2010. This year, more than 5 million Americans are at least two months behind on their mortgage payments, putting us on pace for a record high foreclosure rate --- 1.2 million foreclosures.
CREDIT CARD DEBT
Credit card debt hit $800.5 billion on December 31, an increase of $2.3 billion in a month. This marked the first increase since August 2008, just before Wall Street melted down.
Bleak. And bleaker for the young, who are generationly inclined to believe they're unseen, marginalized non-entities. Which they are --- if you've had the pleasure of listening to the inane policy debate in Washington and on the talk shows, you know that the only "important" issues are the national debt, Social Security and medical costs. In other words: how to cut more services from those who need them most. The young? The poor? The hungry? The unemployed? Maybe when they hire lobbyists, we'll remember they exist.
Can a song make you hold on when everything around you sucks? Think back. It happened for you, all those years ago --- that song you played again and again. And now it happens for another generation. So, yeah, if I were suffering and I had the strength not to seek out booze or drugs to dull the pain, I'd crank up my hand-me-down Dell and watch "Firework." And I'd do it more than once, because from January until now, not a damn thing has changed.
Wait a month or two, then look. By then, "Firework" will probably top 200 million YouTube viewings. When it does, some smart cause should give an award to Katy Perry for offering up an genuine anthem for the lost in a time when all the smart money could care less. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-..._b_859125.html
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A Spanish car brand did advertised with Firework in 2012. Life does suck in Spain, Greece,... and Firework is the right choice in current economics. Demographics of car buyers isn't the tween girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVlPkJmnams
Firework isn't just for tween girls or LGBT community. It's universal across the ages, continents, languages,... The use of Firework in politics, sports, weddings,... I still hear it on European radios.
The title "Born This Way" can be misunderstood as an pretentious person wanting to sing about how priviliged, unique,... he/she was borned. You better not waste your time trying to become good in something, because you are born with crappy talents. A video of Gaga giving birth isn't improving it.
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Originally posted by katykater
Firework isn't just for tween girls or LGBT community. It's universal across the ages, continents, languages,...
The title "Born This Way" can be misunderstand as an pretentious person wanting to sing about how priviliged, unique,... he/she was borned. You better not waste your time trying to become good in something, because you are born with crappy talents. And add a dirty video of Gaga giving birth to it.
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What makes you think that a bridge about the LGBT community constitutes the entire meaning of BTW and what do tween girls have to do with it?
And why are you judging a song based on title alone? 
I say BTW, it has a more explicit and outspoken message and sold more on a worldwide scale.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
What makes you think that a bridge about the LGBT community constitutes the entire meaning of BTW and what do tween girls have to do with it?
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According to what little monsters wrote "BTW is an LGBT anthem" and "Gaga is good because she did this or that for LGBT community". They forgot that there are many more other people.
Tween girls was refering to the stereotype of a Katy Perry fan.
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And why are you judging a song based on title alone?
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Not judging. It's a disavantage if you want a song to be big and remembered by the people of non-English speaking countries.
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I say BTW, it has a more explicit and outspoken message and sold more on a worldwide scale.
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Sold good, doesn't mean that there is longetivity, use,... after the chart peak.
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Originally posted by Retro Dance Freak
What makes you think that a bridge about the LGBT community constitutes the entire meaning of BTW and what do tween girls have to do with it?
And why are you judging a song based on title alone?
I say BTW, it has a more explicit and outspoken message and sold more on a worldwide scale. |
Not true tho.
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