This even further proves her point. "Yes even me, Beyonce, feels obligated to change even the smallest things to feel accepted by society. People can tell me I'm the most beautiful woman alive and I will always have insecurities, just like everyone else in the world" Is pretty much was is being said.
not every woman in the world is insecure/ only insecure people need someone to tell them what to feel,think,expect from the world...(Beyonce,Rihanna,Nicki)
She can please her husband as much as she likes. I just dont feel her feminism is honest, she doesnt express her sexuality for herself, but for a man. Idk, maybe is the Nasty Girl video/song that still doesnt allow me to see Beyonce as a honest feminist.
I agree that song and video is very anti-feminist!!!
But that was in 2001 and she never acknowledges that song
The video is not even officially uploaded anywhere
She obviously no longer agrees with its message
Beyonce only decided to start calling herself a feminist when it became a Tumblr trend. A true feminist wouldn't have let her husband mock a domestic abuse victim in the moderate vine hit Drunk in Love
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
When will we learn that being sexual, embracing your sexuality, and wanting to please your man (or woman, if that's what your into) does NOT make you less of a strong woman and does not take away from your feminism This policing of bodies and sexuality has really got to stop.
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
Women can't be feminist and be independent thinkers. All they do us attack each other for every little thing they do. How is it helping them. They stay fighting with each other. It's woman on woman misgony. Free ya selves Rebel!!!!. Be independent from all ideologies.
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
All I know is... I have not heard this much talk about feminism since BEYONCE was released on December 13, 2013. Kudos to Beyonce for building a cultural discussion in 2014 about it. I am so proud of her!
!!!! Very proud of her. I'm so loving these post from the HIVE! When have you heard this much talk all over the web, news etc about feminism until Beyonce. That's the silver lining in this.
Yes, this! But don't forget how Partition bleeds into another progressive feminist statement, Jealous...in which she flips the script and challenges the double standards that exist because of the patriarchy.....but it doesn't even end there, the twist is that in the end, she realizes she still loves him!!! Genius honestly
Exactly!!
N i love how she has a song like Jealous on the album as well. I thinn some (ignorant) people have this unrealistic tunnel vision idea of a feminist is. Female feminists are still .... HUMAN. They have access to full range of emotions that all humans do and guess what sometimes a b*tch gets jealous lol. U see ppl trying to use Bow Down against her as well as if women were borne to be repressed.
Im glad Beyonce is in a place her career where she's confident enough to put tracks like jealous, mine, bow down on her albums. Compared to 4 where the protagonist isnt necessarily the "bad guy" in any of the scenarios. Now that the perfection image has been shed, she's become intriguing as an artist.
Ugh. I swear these
white
feminist gyals can't seem to get their message straight.
Talking about the "beautiful" Chimamanda speech and forgetting that it mentions:
They never do. Poor her. I wonder how she feels about Madonna.
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
All that needs to be said, but of course the reasonable posts on ATRL go unnoticed/forgotten underneath piles of dishonest stanwars and ****, so
All I know is... I have not heard this much talk about feminism since BEYONCE was released on December 13, 2013. Kudos to Beyonce for building a cultural discussion in 2014 about it. I am so proud of her!
But why can't a woman want to be appealing to a man and still be taken seriously as a social equal?
I honestly don't think people realize what they're even saying when they question the belief of women that don't fit into a certain category because they admit or behave in ways that indicate that they want to be appealing to their significant others/the opposite sex. Being considered beautiful, sexy, appealing to the opposite sex isn't objectification; it becomes objectification when that is ALL that the woman is and can be seen as. Which ironically is exactly what one is implying when they begin on this whole, "well if you are doing things that appeal to men, you can't possibly believe in the social equality of women" slippery slope.
This is basically saying that a woman can only behave a certain way or dress a certain way to be taken seriously as a person that believes in a woman's social equality. The belief that women have to fit in certain stereotypical roles and behave and dress in certain ways to be heard and taken seriously is problematic. The burden is not on Beyonce or any other woman to dress in burlap sacks to "reverse stereotypes" -- that's not the point of feminism, but feminism has always been warped into this twisted thing of dress a certain way and you'll be taken seriously, speak a certain way and you'll be taken seriously which is entirely antithetical to what feminists actually fight for. Like I said, indoctrination can be difficult to let go of -- even when you know better. And Emma clearly knows better.
This policing of bodies and sexuality has really got to stop.
