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Discussion: Has katy overtaken Gaga's popularity?
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Originally posted by gagakyle
Gaga had a lot of momentum after TF(M) and sold really well for BTW (even if you want to subtract a portion of Amazon sales). TD was a massive era and her album sales were low considering that. Get it?
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I get it but from my perspective the sales weren't low I mean, the last time she debuted with ~200k in the USA, this time she did ~300k so that's an improvement and she did reach the expectations, we never expect her to do a 1M debut.
That's the trend, Katy is growing, can't say the same about gaga and that's what we ment to say in this thread. The shady coments are unnecesary.
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Originally posted by Rodrighost
I get it but from my perspective the sales weren't low I mean, the last time she debuted with ~200k in the USA, this time she did ~300k so that's an improvement and she did reach the expectations, we never expect her to do a 1M debut.
That's the trend, Katy is growing, can't say the same about gaga and that's what we ment to say in this thread. The sady coments are unnecesary.
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Nothing was shady But great that you think that Katy is a monster album seller now...I just think given her last era, she would've sold considerably more. Also, be careful about calling things "trends" when we really only have one instance of a said thing happening. You very well might be right though!
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Originally posted by gagakyle
Tickets to see an artist on tour are significantly higher than singles and albums
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You don't know how much their current tours will gross.
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Of course.
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Originally posted by pabloanxiety
You don't know how much their current tours will gross.
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I know! I was just saying that if people have to fork over more money for a ticket than a song or album, then that has to count for something. That wasn't meant to be an anti-Katy or a pro-Gaga comment. Just in general, if someone wants to say people don't care about paying for Gaga's (or anyone's) music anymore, what does it mean if their tour sells massively when tickets cost much more? Maybe more than those who sell more singles/albums? Just a thought.
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Originally posted by gagakyle
I know! I was just saying that if people have to fork over more money for a ticket than a song or album, then that has to count for something. That wasn't meant to be an anti-Katy or a pro-Gaga comment. Just in general, if someone wants to say people don't care about paying for Gaga's (or anyone's) music anymore, what does it mean if their tour sells massively when tickets cost much more? Maybe more than those who sell more singles/albums? Just a thought.
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Exactly. Tours are a great indicator of interest in an artist. Album/single sales are indicators of interest in that particular song/album.
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Originally posted by gagakyle
Nothing was shady But great that you think that Katy is a monster album seller now...I just think given her last era, she would've sold considerably more. Also, be careful about calling things "trends" when we really only have one instance of a said thing happening. You very well might be right though!
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I wasnt' talking about your post, I'm talking about the other comments coming from Gaga fans and Katy fans. She is not a monster seller now and I'm satisfied how she is doing she is showing something like longevity. She is being big, was big too in the TD era and moderate/well in the OOTB era and i'm glad that she doesn't seem to fade yet, she shows an improvement and her albums are always selling, her songs are always selling (Roar, 6 months old is still perched at top 15 worldwide) and she is the radio queen of nowadays. That's what we are saying she hasn't peaked yet, always being careful because just like my predictions are going well, she can fade but she doesn't show signs of it. Did you get it?
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Originally posted by dperkins
Exactly. Tours are a great indicator of interest in an artist. Album/single sales are indicators of interest in that particular song/album.
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How long can you sell tickets without succesful hits and albums? If Gaga doesn't recover for her next era her tour power will fade too.
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Full of delusional monsters in this thread
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Originally posted by Swag
I'm sorry but Madonna was a pop culture phenomenon, Britney was a pop culture phenomenon, Gaga was a popular popstar for about 3 years.
Katy has proven to be consistent and that's what's needed in the industry to have longevity and leave a mark in pop history.
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She literally changed the game. Back in 2010, people were eating out of the palm of her ****ing hand. She had pop culture on it's knees... to deny that is just flat out wrong. Gaga was THE pop star two years ago... things have clearly changed but Katy's never going to change the industry like LG did. She made people care about videos again, about theatre, about performance... she made every pop girl up their game 500%. I don't know what's going to happen, maybe Gaga WILL be the next Cyndi Lauper, maybe Katy will be the next... uh, God knows, let's just say she'll remain hugely popular. But for sheer cultural impact and starpower; Katy's not got a hair on Gaga.
I think people forget just how much of a force Gaga used to be.
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Originally posted by Peroxide
She literally changed the game. Back in 2010, people were eating out of the palm of her ****ing hand. She had pop culture on it's knees... to deny that is just flat out wrong. Gaga was THE pop star two years ago... things have clearly changed but Katy's never going to change the industry like LG did. She made people care about videos again, about theatre, about performance... she made every pop girl up their game 500%. I don't know what's going to happen, maybe Gaga WILL be the next Cyndi Lauper, maybe Katy will be the next... uh, God knows, let's just say she'll remain hugely popular. But for sheer cultural impact and starpower; Katy's not got a hair on Gaga.
I think people forget just how much of a force Gaga used to be.
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No one does, it's just that some people focus on the present in a thread regarding the present. All due respect to Gaga's peak though.
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Originally posted by Peroxide
She literally changed the game. Back in 2010, people were eating out of the palm of her ****ing hand. She had pop culture on it's knees... to deny that is just flat out wrong. Gaga was THE pop star two years ago... things have clearly changed but Katy's never going to change the industry like LG did. She made people care about videos again, about theatre, about performance... she made every pop girl up their game 500%. I don't know what's going to happen, maybe Gaga WILL be the next Cyndi Lauper, maybe Katy will be the next... uh, God knows, let's just say she'll remain hugely popular. But for sheer cultural impact and starpower; Katy's not got a hair on Gaga.
I think people forget just how much of a force Gaga used to be.
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Nah, Gaga was big for three years and almost everything she did was already done before by Madonna, Bowie, Manson, Xtina or someone else. Where's Manson right now? He was the most-shocking artist in the 90's and people got tired of him. Gaga lasted 3 years on top of the game and now ARTPOP is underperforming, she wasn't even invited to perform at the Grammy and the industry and the GP moved on, nobody cares right now. She's just another pop girl.
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Originally posted by Lord Blackout
No one does, it's just that some people focus on the present in a thread regarding the present. All due respect to Gaga's peak though.
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Yeah, but that was in response to "Gaga was a pretty big pop star for three years". I'm not thick, I know how fickle the public is with pop stars ...
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yes.
But I have my own mind to know that Katy is just the more safe option now, like Cyndi Lauper was when Madonna was acting messy.
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Originally posted by pabloanxiety
Nah, Gaga was big for three years and almost everything she did was already done before by Madonna, Bowie, Manson, Xtina or someone else. Where's Manson right now? He was the most-shocking artist in the 90's and people got tired of him. Gaga lasted 3 years on top of the game and now ARTPOP is underperforming, she wasn't even invited to perform at the Grammy and the industry and the GP moved on, nobody cares right now. She's just another pop girl.
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No everyday, run of the mill pop girl pulls the kind of numbers BTW did first week... the fact she could have pulled the biggest first week sales for a new single proves that (she would have pulled 800k for BTW had she released on a Monday or Tuesday). I'm not saying she was original, nobody is right now... everything that has been done has been done. The point was she was a breath of fresh air for pop culture and wasn't just another manufactured prom queen lip synching her way through some Dr. Luke throwaway. Her dedication to her craft and to her image were unparalleled and she always offered something interesting and different.
Yes, I've acknowledged Gaga's popularity has plummeted, you'd be a fool not to realise that. But you'd also be a fool not to appreciate and thank Gaga for re-shaping pop cultures landscape. Katy is never going to do that, no matter how much she sells.
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Yes, Katy is bigger than Gaga currently.
Yes, Gaga has faded and is "just another pop girl" now.
Yes, Gaga was THE IT PERSON from 2009-early 2011.
Yes, Katy is growing in every aspect possible while Gaga is fading in every aspect possible.
No, Katy will never outpeak Gaga's peak.
No, Katy will never have the impact Gaga had during her peak.
If you want a straightforward answer to the question, yes. I can't at the monster bringing half-decade old receipts in here to prove that Katy hasn't yet overtaken Gaga's popularity. We're talking about the present.
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Yes, Katy is bigger than Gaga currently.
Yes, Gaga has faded and is "just another pop girl" now.
Yes, Gaga was THE IT PERSON from 2009-early 2011.
Yes, Katy is growing in every aspect possible while Gaga is fading in every aspect possible.
No, Katy will never outpeak Gaga's peak.
No, Katy will never have the impact Gaga had during her peak.
If you want a straightforward answer to the question, yes. I can't at the monster bringing half-decade old receipts in here to prove that Katy hasn't yet overtaken Gaga's popularity. We're talking about the present.
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this is the most objective perspective and the truth
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Originally posted by Peroxide
She literally changed the game. Back in 2010, people were eating out of the palm of her ****ing hand. She had pop culture on it's knees... to deny that is just flat out wrong. Gaga was THE pop star two years ago... things have clearly changed but Katy's never going to change the industry like LG did. She made people care about videos again, about theatre, about performance... she made every pop girl up their game 500%. I don't know what's going to happen, maybe Gaga WILL be the next Cyndi Lauper, maybe Katy will be the next... uh, God knows, let's just say she'll remain hugely popular. But for sheer cultural impact and starpower; Katy's not got a hair on Gaga.
I think people forget just how much of a force Gaga used to be.
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Yes yes yes yes yes!!
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Yes, right now Katy is more popular and bigger than Gaga but no she will never overtake the popularity or the impact Gaga had since her career started
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Katy is more accessible and more popular now, I fear Gaga has alienated the GP by doing too much and too soon.
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