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Discussion: Why you all call Katy basic?
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Lazerbeamz
Please, you know really well I wasn't even talking about the break between UAPG and now (as if she was drowning in #1s during this break )
The only years she took a break was in 2008 and 2013, and she still has 13 #1. Katy has NINE #1 from only 3 albums (the majority from 2). How is that even compared to what Rihanna is doing, I mean, how can you say she has had the same amount of #1s in the first 3 albums? Rihanna got her 9th #1 by the time TTT was released.
What kind of self drag
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Girl, can you read? I said she's had the same amount of number ones in the same time span as Katy. I don't see why the number of albums is important. But I digress.
And she still slayed with number ones during both of those breaks.
Let me break if down for ya.
2008 - Live your life
2008 - Take A bow
2008 - Disturbia
2010 - Rude Boy
2010 - Only Girl
2010 - What's My Name?
2011 - S&M
2011 - We Found Love
2012 - Diamonds
2013 - The monster.
Try a biT harder with that albums argument. It doesn't matter if she's still slaying,
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Sure, her singles are safe and not groundbreaking, but that's because she chooses to portray herself that way. She has the smarts and the wit to survive in this industry and it's because she IS NOT basic.
Trust me 100 percent in saying this. If she wanted to truly push the artistic borders of pop music, she could. She has the talent and the intelligence. But she's not interested in that right now.
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So basically you are admitting that she is basic
It's irrelevant if she COULD do something but chooses not to. Her actual OUTPUT is what matters.
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Member Since: 2/2/2014
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Originally posted by NEZ LUNAR
Yea but at least they're respected.
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Great, so can we wait for Katy 10 years and then say something? Prism is her 3rd pop album.
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Member Since: 6/30/2011
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
I'll say it again. Kelly has one of the best voices in Pop music, has covered a HUGE variety of music and tons of different genres both live and on her album, she's taken some big risks in her career releasing things like My December (a not very commercial album where she didn't work with any pop songwriters and had to fight her label to release), all of that keeps her from being basic. That sets her apart.
I don't know what sets Katy apart, what risks she has taken, etc.
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All this and yet still basic.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Lazerbeamz
So how is that good/bad? It works for Rihanna, awesome!
Just one more reason that the two can't and shouldn't be compared (but it's ATRL, you know!).
Also Katy has plenty or dark and controversial imagery and songs that aren't released from her albums, but when it comes to dragging her everyone choses to ignore them and use the singles only.
What has Rihanna worn to be more controversial than Katy? Her tattoos? Or a few chains here and there?
Did everyone suddenly forget about Katy's countless sexual appearances, exposing her body (good for her), songs like IKAG, Ur So Gay, Peacock, E.T., Love Me, Legendary Lovers, or even performances like the recent one from the Grammys?
Katy being liked by a huge variety of people =/= her being basic.
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They contain elements of controversial things, but they end up sounding more like the rest of the record that they respectively come from. They are also produced by the same producers, have similar musical elements. Katy hasn't put something out that's very complex or evolved, something that will declare that she HAS grown as an artist.
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The fact that people are denying this is kinda shocking to me. It's practically her niche
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Member Since: 8/6/2012
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Originally posted by Lazerbeamz
You were just implying that Katy is starting to prove her decline from these two singles, stop twisting it around
Wow, what remixes are you talking about? Please do provide some receipts, because I am very curious to know!
Yes, Katy did make remixes, but all her singles went #1 from their original versions, LFN, TD and so on say hello!
Do you want to talk about Rihanna's Good Girl Gone Remixed album or nah?
Also how are remixes a sign that "you're basic" or whatever ? It's still music being released by the artist, she is getting that #1 regardless (even though Katy didn't need the remixes for that).
Well idk about you but I know damn well that me, most people in here and even the big girls in the industry would rather have the recurrent #1s (aka $$) and the relevancy any day over the grammys.
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Girl stop were acting like monsters before Gagas decline.
Remember ET?
Katycats we need to calm down. We are literally the new monsters.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by bluth
It's not far from the truth in the slightest
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Yes because Peacock, Ur So Gay, I Kissed a Girl, E.T., Firework, Roar and Legendary Lovers are all the same!
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Messy thread.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by h.u.r.r.i.c.a.n.e
Katy isn't basic. She just chooses to present her most basic side the most.
Trust me 100 percent in saying this. If she wanted to truly push the artistic borders of pop music, she could. She has the talent and the intelligence. But she's not interested in that right now.
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Then she remains 'basic'. Great pop music is about audacity, not about refraining.
This backwards argument is like me saying 'Gaga could sell 10m copies of ARTPOP, but the GP's choosing not to, but as long as she could sell she's not flopping'
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Member Since: 3/6/2014
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Originally posted by Whatevaaaaa
She still isn't really selling albums stop acting as if outselling ARTPOP is a real accomplishment.
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But according to the IFPI, PRISM was the best selling female album in 2013, although Beyoncé has now surpassed it but only by a margin of a few hundred thousand copies. To say she "isn't selling albums" is an embarrasing reach.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by Fruity
So basically you are admitting that she is basic
It's irrelevant if she COULD do something but chooses not to. Her actual OUTPUT is what matters.
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It's an argument of principle.
She has material that is far from basic and she has shown that capability, but her singles are a biT basic.
Because of that, I'd say she isn't basic. She is just seen that way.
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Member Since: 11/14/2011
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Originally posted by Whatevaaaaa
She still isn't really selling albums stop acting as if outselling ARTPOP is a real accomplishment.
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Wow she isn't selling albums but PRISM has sold as much as 4 of Rihanna's albums.
#1 Female Global 2013
#1 TEA 2013
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by bluth
Then she remains 'basic'. Great pop music is about audacity, not about refraining.
This backwards argument is like me saying 'Gaga could sell 10m copies of ARTPOP, but the GP's choosing not to, but as long as she could sell she's not flopping'
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edit: lol nvm I responded with sales a few posts back. nnn my quest to defend katheryn.
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Member Since: 3/2/2014
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Originally posted by Whatevaaaaa
She still isn't really selling albums stop acting as if outselling ARTPOP is a real accomplishment.
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Jesus, the delusion is real
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by The Best One Yet
Wow she isn't selling albums but PRISM has sold as much as 4 of Rihanna's albums.
#1 Female Global 2013
#1 TEA 2013
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Yas, she better Outsell Rihanna's Half Assed Promoted albums!
Let's be real, Katy won't ever see GGGB Numbers, Or even loud numbers again.
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Originally posted by Lazerbeamz
Yes because Peacock, Ur So Gay, I Kissed a Girl, E.T., Firework, Roar and Legendary Lovers are all the same!
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Structurally
From those songs you picked out they're all Verse Chorus Verse Chorus Verse Chorus 3 minute radio candy, as is the same for 99% of her discography (leaving the 1% as a disclaimer)
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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poor kelly being brought in and attacked when this wasn't even about her
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They contain elements of controversial things, but they end up sounding more like the rest of the record that they respectively come from.
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but that's what all pop stars do. when they experiment, they keep their pop influences 90% of the time. there aren't many exceptions among pop girls
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by loveforkaty
Girl stop were acting like monsters before Gagas decline.
Remember ET?
Katycats we need to calm down. We are literally the new monsters.
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Who is even acting like that?
I'm not even a Katy stan, it just made me cackle when people play the basicness or "she takes no risk!!1!" card on Katy.
If that's not worse they compare it to Rihanna as if they're any different in terms of risk-taking
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Allie
All this and yet still basic.
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No, she isn't basic, and I just told you why. But it appears you'd rather ignore the facts being shown to you.
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