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Discussion: Countdown: The Greatest Popstars Of All Time (The Top Ten)
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Originally posted by madonnas
He's had more impact but she's the one who truly took the pop star persona and made it an ART. He didn't do that.
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What Michael did as a black popstar is more impactful than what Madonna did. He broke down way more barriers and had more hurdles than she did. What he did for the music video medium paved the way for the storytelling Madonna did in her videos. Madonna is a great pop artist, but she doesn't trump MJ.
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Originally posted by madonnas
He's had more impact but she's the one who truly took the pop star persona and made it an ART. He didn't do that.
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Well that is good for ha
The FACT remains that Michael Jackson is the second coming of Jesus himself, changed the atmosphere of popular music, is the most popular dance singing artist of all time, put the U.S. back on the map after the Beatles dominated the scene, revolutionized music videos, slayed during his younger age then DOMINATED in his adult age, I mean who else other than the KING OF POP
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
What Michael did as a black popstar is more impactful than what Madonna did. He broke down way more barriers and had more hurdles than she did. What he did for the music video medium paved the way for the storytelling Madonna did in her videos. Madonna is a great pop artist, but she doesn't trump MJ.
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I'm in no way saying MJ didn't have bigger cultural impact, but I'm saying Madonna turning the pop star persona into an art (and also her general refusal to repeat herself) make her a better pop star.
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Madonna or Britney should be up there
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Originally posted by BeyingBeytter
Well that is good for ha
The FACT remains that Michael Jackson is the second coming of Jesus himself, changed the atmosphere of popular music, is the most popular dance singing artist of all time, put the U.S. back on the map after the Beatles dominated the scene, revolutionized music videos, slayed during his younger age then DOMINATED in his adult age, I mean who else other than the KING OF POP
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I know what Michael did for Pop music. I just think Madonna is a much better artist.
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Are finishing this tonight or not?
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Originally posted by madonnas
I know what Michael did for Pop music. I just think Madonna is a much better artist.
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An ad hominem response. . . Typical with delusional characters
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Pleaseee let's do this tonight
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An MJ-Madonna fight! At least we're finishing this thing right.
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Originally posted by BeyingBeytter
An ad hominem response. . . Typical with delusional characters
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What? No, not really!
Michael's impact does not surpass Madonna's so much that the MANY qualities she has over him don't matter.
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If Madonna doesn't win, this list is gonna be more ridiculous than it already is. She's way, way better than the massively overrated MJ. And what the hell is Beyoncé doing in the top 5? Without BEYONCÉ she probably would have been #10 or lower. I mean, of course she's the it girl right now to bandwagon and overrate but this is taking it too far.
At people saying the epitome of talentless pop-stars, Spears, deserves to be higher than Whitney Houston.
These britbots; ATRL after all...
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Madonna is so much better as an artist.
But this is Pop stars in general with everything factored in so MJ should be #1 even though I don't care for him.
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If you think MJ is overrated then you obviously don't know/understand much about him.
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Originally posted by Wicked
Madonna is so much better as an artist.
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What does this even mean? Like someone please give some examples.
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Originally posted by JakeKills
On an all time greatest artists list, she's not top 100. On a list of the greatest pop stars, I can understand a top 10 placement. Her it factor is just that strong.
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Lorde no. Top fifty would be a generous placement, based on the strength of her hits thus far. She'll probably be forgotten in ten years.
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Originally posted by Cristhian
Kylie deserves to be top 5. What's happening?!!?
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Maybe on a list of gay icons?
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
I don't even like The Beatles but you can't deny that they are the biggest thing in music to ever exist
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At least someone finally has some sense. You all really need an education. It's almost impossible to overstate the importance of the Beatles to pop music.
Fantastic write-up for Janet, Ace. You captured her impact perfectly.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
At least someone finally has some sense. You all really need an education. It's almost impossible to overstate the importance of the Beatles to pop music.
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This, honestly. This list is already pretty invalid to me because of their low placement. Sometimes ATRL's judgement is so clouded by personal preference. Like, you might enjoy Rihanna's music more than The Beatles', but because of that you won't vote for them as one of the greatest pop stars of all time?
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I prefer Madonna's music over MJ's, but I think he should easily get the #1 spot. ATRL has always overrated her in my eyes... I wouldn't even put her in the top 5. She has never checked off the vocals box for me, her poor quality control post-Music is so disappointing, and I can think of many acts who did much more to shape the music industry.
Realistically the Beatles should be #1 if we're talking pop music.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Lorde no. Top fifty would be a generous placement, based on the strength of her hits thus far. She'll probably be forgotten in ten years.
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I am sorry, but we can't take this serious when you stan for Britney Spears.
Common sense. Where is it?
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Originally posted by Vespertine
I prefer Madonna's music over MJ's, but I think he should easily get the #1 spot. ATRL has always overrated her in my eyes... I wouldn't even put her in the top 5. She has never checked off the vocals box for me, her poor quality control post-Music is so disappointing, and I can think of many acts who did much more to shape the music industry.
Realistically the Beatles should be #1 if we're talking pop music.
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The top five would have been perfect for me had it been:
1. The Beatles/MJ both are interchangeable it really depends on who you ask
3. Prince
4. Madonna
5. Janet Jackson
Whitney deserved her placing it's just messy that Britney and Beyonce is above her like really
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Originally posted by Wicked
Creative skill or ability.
And I think Madonna is superior in that department.
She continued to evolve musically throughout her career and I don't think MJ did, I've heard all his studio albums, watched docs, etc. and this is what I think.
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How so? Michael experimented with some many genres... pop, dance, hard rock, new jack swing, gospel, opera, r&b. Madonna only did pop, dance and new jack swing. He popularized music videos. Madonna paved the way for pop girls, but he paved the way for artists in all genres. From rappers to rock stars, they all credit him as their influence. Not to mention his amazing voice, dancing, producing and songwriting skills.. I don't see how she comes close to him in artistry at all.
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