[Sanctuary]

For one thing, don't talk to me like I'm some hater. I'm just saying that, in my area, the one thing I heard people talk the most about Gaga was the EY controversy. There's no need for a meltdown.

[Cal]

Chillin' ***** on most of The Fame tbh.

[Retro]

I still think it's weird how Japan basically worships the BTW era when even her fans outside Japan act like it was a failure.

But let's talk about quality. I've been thinking - was The Fame Monster really that much better than BTW? Just bear with me here - The Fame Monster is a brilliant collection of 6 flawless pop songs and 2 rather good songs. Sure BTW has more filler in some peoples' opinions, but what really is the measure of overall quality? An average, or a summation? Regardless, I've notice that even though I always say TFM is better, BTW actually accounts for more of my plays in the past year and a half than TF and TFM combined. Maybe, just maybe, even us fans don't give BTW enough credit?

[slobro]

Posting this for my reference

9. Lady Gaga

Title	DE	FR	IT	ES	NL	CH	AT	NO	DK	GR	RU	Total
08 Just Dance	8	5	-	37	18	24	17	46	50	2	29	237
08 Poker Face	45	34	32	39	58	45	50	85	81	7	56	531
09 Bad Romance	24	20	25	78	36	25	27	76	73	20	39	443
09 Eh, Eh (Nothing E...	-	6	-	-	-	-	-	11	2	-	-	19
09 Lovegame	7	12	-	-	12	1	8	4	4	5	4	56
09 Paparazzi	18	10	15	12	10	23	20	-	7	1	7	122
09 Telephone	9	14	17	25	31	14	12	35	29	22	10	218
10 Alejandro	18	14	25	55	31	24	21	51	45	39	68	390
11 Born This Way	18	14	11	33	13	22	19	34	25	12	18	219
11 The Edge Of Glory	17	1	2	4	2	6	13	3	5	-	-	54
11 Hair	-	0	2	1	1	-	-	2	-	-	-	6
11 Judas	-	11	3	21	6	2	3	11	14	-	-	71
11 Marry The Night	-	-	-	-	-	-	1	-	-	-	-	1
11 Yoü And I	-	-	-	-	-	-	5	-	-	-	-	5
Total	164	141	132	304	217	187	196	357	336	108	231	2373.5

22. Lady Gaga

The Fame + The Fame Monster were merged for every country.

Album Title	US	CA	UK	AU	DE	FR	IT	ES	NL	CH	SE	JP	Total
09 The Fame Monster	101	76	99	72	67	47	53	39	57	68	60	-	739
09 ザ・フェイム	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	11	11
09 Hitmixes Ep	-	1	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	1
09 ザ・モンスター（初回生産限定盤）	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	36	36
10 The Remix	2	5	2	2	-	1	-	7	2	2	0	-	25
10 ザ・リミックス（初回生産限定特別価格盤）	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	13	13
11 ボーン・ディス・ウェイ（初回完全限定盤）	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	29	29
11 Born This Way	16	18	27	14	17	10	17	14	7	17	14	-	171
Total	119	100	128	89	84	58	70	60	67	87	74	89	1024.3

[H-I-M]

Originally posted by slobro

Posting this for my reference

9. Lady Gaga

22. Lady Gaga

The Fame + The Fame Monster were merged for every country.

The BTW era numbers !
Lemme keep it cute...

[slobro]

Originally posted by H-I-M

[CENTER]

The BTW era numbers !
Lemme keep it cute...

Everything after BTW (song) was a promo single

[iStanGaga]

Originally posted by Retro

I still think it's weird how Japan basically worships the BTW era when even her fans outside Japan act like it was a failure.

But let's talk about quality. I've been thinking - was The Fame Monster really that much better than BTW? Just bear with me here - The Fame Monster is a brilliant collection of 6 flawless pop songs and 2 rather good songs. Sure BTW has more filler in some peoples' opinions, but what really is the measure of overall quality? An average, or a summation? Regardless, I've notice that even though I always say TFM is better, BTW actually accounts for more of my plays in the past year and a half than TF and TFM combined. Maybe, just maybe, even us fans don't give BTW enough credit?

The only flaw and I mean only flaw TFM era had was the M references in the Alejandro video. Other than that, the era was amazing. I can play the whole album without skipping a single song. Every live performance was watchable, every video was watchable from start to finish and was worth more than one viewing. The BTW era had a lot of cringe worthy performances, songs and videos. I mean that's the consensus between stans and non-stans. Let's be real.

[H-I-M]

Originally posted by slobro

Everything after BTW (song) was a promo single

Which would explain why BTW the album had 4 times less longevity, according to those numbers, than TF/TFM.

[iStanGaga]

Originally posted by BadMonster

jakfja;kjalgjkdlagjad;

You need to get away from ATRL if you really believe that. The Express Yourself drama hardly got any attention here. The only people holding on to that straw are haters on ATRL + the person who claimed it was a rip-off of her song.

Gaga got a lot of international press this era, she helped get DADT repealed, she had meetings with Obama about homosexuality, he started to get informed and changed his opinion and now 12 states in the US are already allowing gay marriage. She became one of the most charitable and powerful people in the world, started the BTWFoundation, and tens of millions of people around the world love her. People claim the music sucked yet this tour did better than the Monster Ball on average and she broke several records on a WW scale. Born This Way has become iconic and is used in TV/film/music etc.

Need I go on?

Express Yourself who?

Anthagio is that you?

[hausofbryan]

Those numbers are pretty construed tho.. The BTW era had issues, but it didnt go THAT horribly. Damn. lol

Kinda excited that Gaga performed with Brain Newman in NY right before the BTW era started, hopefully the other night was her following some sort of pre-era ritual

Maybe, but didn't she also perform in like September of 2010? Which was random

[Vespertine]

I would say BTW is better than TFM if she cut it down to like 11-12 songs to make it more consistent. Some of the tracks just aren't up to par quality-wise (mainly the deluxe 3 tracks) and others, while very good, feel out of place on the album (You and I).

[Optimus]

NOOOOOO

[Retro]

Originally posted by iStanGaga

The only flaw and I mean only flaw TFM era had was the M references in the Alejandro video. Other than that, the era was amazing. I can play the whole album without skipping a single song. Every live performance was watchable, every video was watchable from start to finish and was worth more than one viewing. The BTW era had a lot of cringe worthy performances, songs and videos. I mean that's the consensus between stans and non-stans. Let's be real.

But really, I can't be the only one who loves every video but TEOG and who can sit through the whole album start to finish and enjoy it. Perhaps it's a matter of subjectivity, but I think that the BTW era in general doesn't get what praise it might deserve. Yes TFM was more or less the perfect pop era, but I think that because of reactionary statements and actions by religious groups, terrorist organizations, and crazy haters, in addition to a bit of a commercial decline, even Gaga's fans view BTW more negatively than it deserves.

[iStanGaga]

But I understand this was a personal album for her and she kind of got the freedom to do whatever she wanted to do for herself.

[hausofbryan]

Im gonna start getting annoyed if we get nothing over these next few weeks tho... I know she wants time off, but how can she be able to perform at a hotel and not be able to perform a single? Like, really now... Really..

Originally posted by dyylannn

I would say BTW is better than TFM if she cut it down to like 11-12 songs to make it more consistent. Some of the tracks just aren't up to par quality-wise (mainly the deluxe 3 tracks) and others, while very good, feel out of place on the album (You and I).

Love your av. Random but yea.

I hope Gaga ages half as well as Gwen.

[BadMonster]

Originally posted by iStanGaga

Anthagio is that you?

No, I didn't know who/what he was when I joined, but I've come to understand that Anthagio is a person who keeps coming back with dupes? I was already a member when he got exposed and banned earlier this year. This is my first time as a member on ATRL

Just like Gaga I'm not here for the messiness of fakers. Gaga kicked out Boomkack and ATRL kicked out Anthagio

[hausofbryan]

We need to issue injunctions against new ARTPOP threads from this base tho..

That "demo" and the idea of Gaga + 2short...

[Retro]

Now imagine if the first three tracks of TFM and DITD had been on an album with "Heavy Metal Lover", "Scheisse", "Bloody Mary", "Judas", and "Government Hooker". And maybe "Marry the Night".

Would anyone have been able to compete?

If she ever releases a "Best of" sort of thing, all of those tracks need to be on there. All of them.

[slobro]

Originally posted by Retro

But really, I can't be the only one who loves every video but TEOG and who can sit through the whole album start to finish and enjoy it. Perhaps it's a matter of subjectivity, but I think that the BTW era in general doesn't get what praise it might deserve. Yes TFM was more or less the perfect pop era, but I think that because of reactionary statements and actions by religious groups, terrorist organizations, and crazy haters, in addition to a bit of a commercial decline, even Gaga's fans view BTW more negatively than it deserves.

I mean the entire era obviously wasn't as great as the previous ones, but it's the album that I find very disappointing for Gaga's standards. TEOG, HML, Scheiße, MTN, Judas are great, and I enjoy BTW (song) too. The rest not so much. I'm really missing the super catchy songs she used to make, with the funny clever lyrics.

[Gagasm]

Originally posted by hausofbryan

We need to issue injunctions against new ARTPOP threads from this base tho..

That "demo" and the idea of Gaga + 2short...

I can't believe people believe those things are real.