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Discussion: Why do rock fans get so angry when you don't know their fave
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Originally posted by Britney Is Fierce
If y'all are so damn sure that it's because of race, why keep having these stupid discussions when you already know the answer? Many people are already sick of the race thing being brought up in every single ATRL discussion, then you complain when people call you SJWs as if you didn't already know how ATRLers act when you shove the same **** down their throats.
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There is a difference between saying it's all race (not the case) and pointing out there have been issues related to race in the industry and media (which... is objectively quite true).
I think people are going in more aggressively, cause, well, read the first reply
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Brando
It's the same reaction to everything no? When you don't know basic things expect to get laughed at.
For Sam Smith not to know who Thom Yorke is truly embarrassing, because he is an "artist".
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Who's Thom Yorke?
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They have every right to be angry if you dont know who Avril Lavigne is 
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Originally posted by Hey Gurl Hey
Bringing race into every damn discussion is boring. I swear you'd probably think it's racist for someone to choose vanilla ice cream over chocolate lol. Chill sis
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Everyonce mentioning race is refering to your ignorant first post. You've acted like Rock is the most supreme of all genres and then you get salty when someone brings up or implies of the existence of Blues and R&B because you know that Blues is truly a more iconic and influential genre than rock seeing as Rock was just Blues' stolen sperm.
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Originally posted by Eternium
You're better off not knowing rock, sis 
Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Aerosmith, The Eagles,"Fleetwood Mac," Guns N' Roses, etc. are who come to mind when thinking of the quintessential rock artists.
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Well, Rock is such an expansive genre there is nothing wrong with you thinking of those artists and myself thinking of the ones I listed.
But Aerosmith 
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Originally posted by Retro
To play a little devil's advocate here, I guess, this is a pop music forum. It's not specifically built to be oriented toward general music, and I don't think one must be familiar with these acts' music in order to enjoy and discuss current/former pop artists. This place was literally built on the legacy of a Top 40 video countdown show, on which Britney Spears was the most successful artist followed by the two biggest boy bands of the late 90's.
I'm just saying, I don't think anyone at all should be required to be that familiar with rock music (I mean, to the extent of knowing a lot of the actual songs and albums or what many of the artists sounded like) if they don't claim to know the history behind the music they like, and I don't think that rock music knowledge is a necessity here.
I know more than enough about rock music, but most of it before a couple years ago was unwillingly absorbed from my father's fixations on the genre, and was for the most part entirely distinct from my knowledge of and interest in pop music until I consciously decided I wanted to learn more of the history, more about the origins of my own favorite acts and sounds, etc.
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I can totally understand this and I think I'm also overestimating my knowledge of rock too, I don't listen to rock and don't know much besides very popular songs but I try to at least be knowledgeable on who is iconic in each genre. I just feel like that should also be important to anyone who appreciates music, though I do understand that this is geared towards pop music and someone like The Doors really has no relevance on Britney Spears's career.
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It's funny how they act like it's only black people and R&B and Hip Hop fans who get offended by this kind of thing. They're hypocrites.
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Originally posted by wesleywalrus
Because a lot of these rock music acts shaped the way music is today. Why do you think people are so mad that people don't know any Bowie songs?
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A lot of soul and R&B artists influenced a lot of music today too, but certain uncultured individuals proudly boast about not knowing Lead Belly, James Brown, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Motown, etc.
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They always feel like only rock artists make serious music . . . which I think is lame . . . I hate how critics will lavish any rock act and bypass someone who makes pop music.
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Originally posted by Hey Gurl Hey
Bringing race into every damn discussion is boring. I swear you'd probably think it's racist for someone to choose vanilla ice cream over chocolate lol. Chill sis
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Let's be real, culture and race is a factor. Especially in the US. However the race argument has an ironical twist.
It isn't just rock bands, the genre or the most influential artists in music history. It's about insulting high white culture. Certain artists, bands,... are held up as the beacons, symbols,... of high white culture.
So high that Americans believed for centuries that they had to import it from the Old World (Europe). Not so long ago America stanned from French singers imported from France, because that kind of sophistication, refinedness,... had to be imported.
You can search for those 100 year old newsreels of when American media spoke about the arrival of a French singer by ship and how Americans felt their inferiority that could only be solved with import from Europe.
It's an inferiority complex that haunted America for centuries and the only thing the American psyche could do was making more success, more money, making it bigger, larger, faster or inventing awesome weapons that could impress Europe.
It's still visible today in the American idea of luxery in cars meaning big like a Ford F-150 with cheap plastics everywhere and not a single panel fits with the other panels. It's just thrown somewhere over there like an unmotivated communist worker would do. Not to mention the small brakes that will never stop a car with that amount of horse power in time, the loose steering wheel that you can turn left and right while the car keeps going straight ahead and it can't take corners properly. When you look at a German premium brand, the fit and finish, attention to detail, engaging driving experience,... Nascar vs Formula 1 says enough.
Same thing happens in music. If you give the Americans a genre, they will churn out more of the same, only louder, harder, faster than the previous release and that genre will be killed in less than 2 years. Even the inventor of trap music said that he abandoned that genre because the fellow Americans were killing it by making more of the same.
Sometimes America gave up on something new too quickly. e.g. house music from Detroit that was developed for decades in Europe. Or rock n roll came from Elvis being the first white man making black music marketable for white folks.
However it's Britain that developed it further through at long list of artists, bands, genres,... The Beatles came England. David Bowie came from England. Pink Floyd came from England. Led Zeppelin England. Iron Maiden England.
Needless to say that they are also from England.
In Europe music tends to branch out in different directions, we create diversity.
The idea of heavy metal came from the Birmingham youth hearing the hammering noise of the steel works in their city since birth.
Birmingham, Black Country inspired Mordor.
It isn't exactly the peace, love,... San Francisco was speaking about. The ruins of WWII bombing were still visible in the 60s and 70s England.
2 fingers of the Black Sabbath guitarist was chopped off on his last working day in the steel works. It altered his way of playing guitar, made the sound thicker, dark notes, the slow heaviness like being crushed by heavy metal. That's how the critics described the new "noise" from England, like being bulldozered, steamrolled by heavy metal industrial machinery.
Everything you have learned about table manners in America, is considered plebeian, barbaric, insulting to the host in Britain. There isn't a simpler spy check in Britain than just look at how you eat. If the fork is in your right hand, you already failed. It is what it is, even when it sounds cruel and unfair.
You might be wondering where the first respectful exchange between white music and black music happened?
Out of all the places, it happened at the most unlikely place. The whitest of white men, the home country of the Aryan race. You couldn't imagine, it was the Germans who asked black GIs to teach them how to improve their Jazz playing skills. First time a black man saw a white man wanting a black men to be his teacher, his master, happened in Germany. In return the Germans let black Americans enjoy classical music, live off course. In America classical music was considered too holy for black people, thus it was forbidden for black people. White American culturedness, civilisation was and is still no match for European. First time black Americans were respected as equals by white men happened in Europe and they took that idea back to America.
Even when 2011-2013 brought EDM (An awful term that could only be made up by parents or the police spokesman having no clue about it. Why would you put electronic before dance music? It's like putting guitar in front of rock music, punk rock, hard rock, heavy metal,... You don't have to say the instrument when it's obvious?) to America. When will they catch up with 3 decades of electronic music history in Europe. Little do Americans know that they actually have 3 decades of history with the machines. However it's black America that embraced the machines and techniques Europeans use for house, techno, trance,... but they made hip hop with it.
Out of all attempts from America to influence music, why would the Old World, Europe, only respect the black American genres/branches? e.g. Adele makes soul music that references to black American singers. 
Only thing white Amurica could do was rebranding hillbilly music to country music in the 40s. Just putting another sticker on the same records. When Country Music Association was formed in 1958, the word "hillbilly music" was deleted.
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It's just annoying when pop stans go around claiming that rock legends are irrelevant or unknown simply because they don't personally know them, and then act like their fave pop girl is the most iconic thing to walk the earth. there's a problem with pop stans being closed minded towards other genres of music and this highlights it. just because you don't know them, that doesn't mean that they're nobodies  I mean in the Thom Yorke thread people were literally saying Radiohead were irrelevant and nobody knows them, like how out of the damn loop do you have to be? Although I will admit rock fans also tend to be closed minded towards other genres of music, both sides are annoying I guess. As a pop and rock fan I see it from both angles
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Originally posted by katykater
Let's be real, culture and race is a factor. Especially in the US. However the race argument has an ironical twist.
It isn't just rock bands, the genre or the most influential artists in music history. It's about insulting high white culture. Certain artists, bands,... are held up as the beacons, symbols,... of high white culture.
So high that Americans believed for centuries that they had to import it from the Old World (Europe). Not so long ago America stanned from French singers imported from France, because that kind of sophistication, refinedness,... had to be imported.
You can search for those 100 year old newsreels of when American media spoke about the arrival of a French singer by ship and how Americans felt their inferiority that could only be solved with import from Europe.
It's an inferiority complex that haunted America for centuries and the only thing the American psyche could do was making more success, more money, making it bigger, larger, faster or inventing awesome weapons that could impress Europe.
It's still visible today in the American idea of luxery in cars meaning big like a Ford F-150 with cheap plastics everywhere and not a single panel fits with the other panels. It's just thrown somewhere over there like an unmotivated communist worker would do. Not to mention the small brakes that will never stop a car with that amount of horse power in time, the loose steering wheel that you can turn left and right while the car keeps going straight ahead and it can't take corners properly. When you look at a German premium brand, the fit and finish, attention to detail, engaging driving experience,... Nascar vs Formula 1 says enough.
Same thing happens in music. If you give the Americans a genre, they will churn out more of the same, only louder, harder, faster than the previous release and that genre will be killed in less than 2 years. Even the inventor of trap music said that he abandoned that genre because the fellow Americans were killing it by making more of the same.
Sometimes America gave up on something new too quickly. e.g. house music from Detroit that was developed for decades in Europe. Or rock n roll came from Elvis being the first white man making black music marketable for white folks.
However it's Britain that developed it further through at long list of artists, bands, genres,... The Beatles came England. David Bowie came from England. Pink Floyd came from England. Led Zeppelin England. Iron Maiden England.
Needless to say that they are also from England.
In Europe music tends to branch out in different directions, we create diversity.
The idea of heavy metal came from the Birmingham youth hearing the hammering noise of the steel works in their city since birth.
Birmingham, Black Country inspired Mordor.
It isn't exactly the peace, love,... San Francisco was speaking about. The ruins of WWII bombing were still visible in the 60s and 70s England.
2 fingers of the Black Sabbath guitarist was chopped off on his last working day in the steel works. It altered his way of playing guitar, made the sound thicker, dark notes, the slow heaviness like being crushed by heavy metal. That's how the critics described the new "noise" from England, like being bulldozered, steamrolled by heavy metal industrial machinery.
Everything you have learned about table manners in America, is considered plebeian, barbaric, insulting to the host in Britain. There isn't a simpler spy check in Britain than just look at how you eat. If the fork is in your right hand, you already failed. It is what it is, even when it sounds cruel and unfair.
You might be wondering where the first respectful exchange between white music and black music happened?
Out of all the places, it happened at the most unlikely place. The whitest of white men, the home country of the Aryan race. You couldn't imagine, it was the Germans who asked black GIs to teach them how to improve their Jazz playing skills. First time a black man saw a white man wanting a black men to be his teacher, his master, happened in Germany. In return the Germans let black Americans enjoy classical music, live off course. In America classical music was considered too holy for black people, thus it was forbidden for black people. White American culturedness, civilisation was and is still no match for European. First time black Americans were respected as equals by white men happened in Europe and they took that idea back to America.
Even when 2011-2013 brought EDM (An awful term that could only be made up by parents or the police spokesman having no clue about it. Why would you put electronic before dance music? It's like putting guitar in front of rock music, punk rock, hard rock, heavy metal,... You don't have to say the instrument when it's obvious?) to America. When will they catch up with 3 decades of electronic music history in Europe. Little do Americans know that they actually have 3 decades of history with the machines. However it's black America that embraced the machines and techniques Europeans use for house, techno, trance,... but they made hip hop with it.
Out of all attempts from America to influence music, why would the Old World, Europe, only respect the black American genres/branches? e.g. Adele makes soul music that references to black American singers.
Only thing white Amurica could do was rebranding hillbilly music to country music in the 40s. Just putting another sticker on the same records. When Country Music Association was formed in 1958, the word "hillbilly music" was deleted. |
Also something to mention about electronic music, in the 90s was a modern breakthrough of electronic music with Homogenic by Björk, Kid A/Ok Computer by Radiohead (2 of the greatest albums of the 90s) and many others pioneered the modern EDM music and you can call me delusional but those albums are groundbreaking (however Homogenic does not get the recognition it deserves). They are both from Europe too  America ain't **** lol. That was a very interesting read. I love learning about music history and the different sounds of different decades (even before the 1900s).
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Rock is by far my favourite genre,but people who act like everything beside rock sucks and feel like they are above everyone because they listen to it are pretentious idiots.
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This is not exclusive to rock. I saw lots of RnB stans getting mad at people from abroad for not knowing their faves too (they get specially mad when they're told RnB is local to English-speaking countries). So...
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They're mad because their faves are dead and flopping. Talent always wins 
I bought Ultraviolence though so it's ok guys I know allot about rock. Remember when West Coast slayed the alt charts? 
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Originally posted by itsaphrodisi
They're mad because their faves are dead and flopping. Talent always wins
I bought Ultraviolence though so it's ok guys I know allot about rock. Remember when West Coast slayed the alt charts? |
Your post reminded me of the fact that most of rock fans are sexists.They will say that most of female rock music is pop,because women aren't capable of making rock music..I understand that many pop fans have a tendacy to call their fave's music rock even when it's obviously pop,but albums like Ultraviolence are obviously rock,yet so many people would never admit it.
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no one has any obligation to research legends imo
you can be a fan of music and not know who certain people are. just because you're an artist like Sam doesn't mean you need to dedicate your life to knowing who every person in history is. Sam's job is to make music people enjoy, which he does. not to be a music industry history scholar.
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Don't all fans do this
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The thing is..when you know every Ashlee Simpson song and you just don't know who Led Zeppelin, Thom Yorke or The Rolling Stones are..something is off to me.
Then again..I don't give two shites, especially on here. But if rock fans get pissed off about this subject sometimes..don't blame them, please.
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Eh I can see both sides of it. I think the over the top attacking is ridiculous, childish and uncalled for, just as the eagerness of some to run and advertise just how little they know about any given topic at the most inopportune times (especially considering that if you're online, you can get a brief synopsis of virtually anything in ~30 seconds) is equally uncalled for and usually annoying.
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Because rock is a genre that has more substance and depth than pop music. Its artists are actually artists, who create the entirety of their songs themselves, from the music to the lyrics. They play their own instruments both in the studio and on stage, rather than needing to hire a rando musician to do so. Their singers actually sing. The lyrics mean something and are not written by formulaic industry writers and are not watered down in an attempt to appeal to a larger audience.
When someone says they're not familiar with this pop star or that pop star, they're not generally missing out on much, to an extent they're largely the same. They're all vapid products. These songs they do are made by other people and shopped around to whoever wants them. Any of them could sing any of their songs and it would turn out the same because none of them have an emotional connection to the product. So if you're familiar with Gaga, then you're familiar with Katy, then you're familiar with Miley, then you're familiar with Demi, etc. So who cares that someone isn't familiar with a single particular pop star when they know 2 or 3 others? Big difference.
But when someone's not familiar with a rock act, that is an actual, individual, unique thing they are missing out on and it is something that can't be experienced by knowing some songs by similar acts. Someone would have to say they have no familiarity with like the entire genre of pop for it to be comparable with not knowing a single rock act. Now, if someone said they were indeed not familiar with the entire genre of pop, I think people would have WTF reactions that are just as strong.
Granted, pop music does have the occasional artist who is ACTUALLY an artist, and who is talented enough to actually take a hand in the creation of their own songs, and that connection they have with their music is tangible and sets them apart, I'm talking about your P!nks, and your Ke$has, and your Kelly Clarksons, and to an extent, your Avrils. People who you can go "Oh, that's a ____song" and if anyone else tried to do it it would sound like they're just covering someone's song, for instance like when Adam Lambert did Whataya Want From Me. But these pop acts who can actually pull that off are few and far between.
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I hate people who say this but then don't know who Ella Fitzgerald is like **** outta here
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