[Rihhyonce]

Originally posted by Iman

umm, Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Gandhi, Susan B Anthony were fighting for their rights. this magazine is attacking a religion. not even comparable.

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Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X (a Muslim), Gandhi, and Susan B. Anthony were fighting for civil rights and equaity.

Charlie Hebdo and #JeSuisCharlie is fighting for the right for white people in France to sit in cafes and laugh at racist cartoons while they sip their morning coffee.

The comparison is baffling.

[Halien4Life]

Ofc nothing justifies killing people. But what many fail to see is that the magazine is not entirely ~harmless.

And yes, unlike christianity, Islam is linked directly to arabs. Hence my post regarding racism. They are mocking arab muslim culture, and nothing else.......for no good reason at all.

[MonkeyMan]

Originally posted by Cain

When you are brought up with a believe, with the rules of that believe, you are known and have adapted to it you can't just let it go. Even if you doubt and question aspects of the Islam (which is very normal for young Muslims) then there is still pressure from within the community, fear to dissapoint parents, there is so much more to it than to just 'stop believing'. That's a very Western approach that can't be expected from young Muslims.

You can critisize any religion, and you can go into an argument with someone about it.
But what Charlie Hebdo was doing was not merely criticizing the Islam face to face with its believers, using argumentations and giving Muslims the chance to respond.

In this instance extremists did, which is very sad, still the majority of Muslims should be respected and so should their faith.

Well I'm sorry it may be hard for some to let it go, but that's on you as a personal matter. That shouldn't stop people from writing and criticizing that thought.

People can choose whether they acknowledge the Charlie Hebdo comics, no one is shoving in their faces. They're seeking it out.

I respect you're right to practice your faith, but I will not accept the fact that one shouldn't be able to criticize it.

Originally posted by Iman

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i'm tired of people trying to pass off blatant disrespect as "satire," etc.... its extremely islamophobic. my muslim mom prayed for those killed yet you have ignorant ****ers trying to present us all as extremists. and the fact that they classify attacks on mosques, "a criminal" act when its also an act of terror. freedom of speech goes both ways.

You need to take a breather, I don't even understand what you're trying to say.

Once again, you're using islamophobia as a buzzword. Islam is an idea. If I believe in Keynesian economic theory, someone shouldn't be restricted to make fun of it because it's "Keynesian-phobic".
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No one in this thread is presenting all Muslims as extremists.

[YouBetterPopBitch]

Originally posted by YoYo

It wasn't even done by them in the first place?

Nope.

The Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy (or Muhammad cartoons crisis) (Danish: Muhammedkrisen) began after the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published 12 editorial cartoons on 30 September 2005, most of which depicted Muhammad, the founder of Islam. The newspaper announced that this was an attempt to contribute to the debate about criticism of Islam and self-censorship. Muslim groups in Denmark complained, and the issue eventually led to protests around the world, including violent demonstrations and riots in some Muslim countries.

The French satirical weekly newspaper Charlie Hebdo was taken to court for publishing the cartoons; it was acquitted of charges that it incited hatred.
On 2 November 2011, Charlie Hebdo was firebombed right before its 3 November issue was due; the issue was called Sharia Hebdo and satirically featured Muhammad as guest-editor. The editor, Stéphane Charbonnier, known as Charb, and two co-workers at Charlie Hebdo subsequently received police protection.

In September 2012, a man was arrested in La Rochelle for allegedly having called for beheading of Charb at a Jihadist website. Charb was placed on Al-Qaeda's most-wanted list in 2013 along with Kurt Westergaard, Lars Vilks, Carsten Juste and Flemming Rose after editing an edition of Charlie Hebdo that satirised Muhammad.

On 7 January 2015, at approximately 11:30 CET, two masked gunmen opened fire on Charlie Hebdo's staff and police officers while shouting "Allahu Akbar", killing 12 people, including Charb, and wounding 11 others. Upon leaving the scene, the two gunmen shouted in natural French that "[w]e have avenged the Prophet Muhammad, we killed Charlie Hebdo". Jyllands-Posten did not re-print the Charlie Hebdo cartoons in the wake of the attack, with the editor citing security concerns.

[I. AX]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

They have the legal right to. You have the legal right to protest them, but not to kill them.

They know they are dealing with radical islam but continue to push this offensive and derogatory cartoons, sort of mocking them. What did they expect ? They'd pick up the magazine and laugh considering what they are about?

And yet this same magazine continues to do the same and later when another charlie incident happens its boohoo, we are being attacked for our freedom of speech ? the kinda of speech that incites, mocks and insults what some people have dedicated their whole lives to.

Just because you have no faith doesn't give you the right to insult people who have one, not once , not twice but on multiple occasions.

[Samuel]

They have a right to publish it and so on and I support their right to do so (even though I think it's in poor taste) but I can't help but think this is a bad move. They better be careful

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by Rihhyonce

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Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X (a Muslim), Gandhi, and Susan B. Anthony were fighting for civil rights and equaity.

Charlie Hebdo and #JeSuisCharlie is fighting for the right for white people in France to sit in cafes and laugh at racist cartoons while they sip their morning coffee.

The comparison is baffling.

Charlie is fighting for the right to free press. They mocked Christianity, politicians, etc numerous times. More than Islam in fact

[TikiMiss]

Originally posted by I. AX

They know they are dealing with radical islam but continue to push this offensive and derogatory cartoons, sort of mocking them. What did they expect ? They'd pick up the magazine and laugh considering what they are about?

And yet this same magazine continues to do the same and later when another charlie incident happens its boohoo, we are being attacked for our freedom of speech ? the kinda of speech that incites, mocks and insults what some people have dedicated their whole lives to.

Just because you have no faith doesn't give you the right to insult people who have one, not once , not twice but on multiple occasions.

It's like asking why abolitionists so bravely marched despite rabid racists threatening to lynch and kill them

[Cain]

Originally posted by Halien4Life

Ofc nothing justifies killing people. But what many fail to see is that the magazine is not entirely ~harmless.

And yes, unlike christianity, Islam is linked directly to arabs. Hence my post regarding racism. They are mocking arab muslim culture, and nothing else.......for no good reason at all.

*Not only arabs

[MonkeyMan]

Originally posted by Halien4Life

Ofc nothing justifies killing people. But what many fail to see is that the magazine is not entirely ~harmless.

And yes, unlike christianity, Islam is linked directly to arabs. Hence my post regarding racism. They are mocking arab muslim culture, and nothing else.......for no good reason at all.

The fact that Islam is linked to Arabs is purely coincidental, the same magazine has criticized a many of religions like Christianity. They are not mocking Arab culture, they happen to be mocking an idea prevalent within it.

[I. AX]

Originally posted by Auraeolux

Yes it does. Freedom of speech is just a rule for the government. People can't be arrested over this cover.

The argument is over whether they should or should not have done it.

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

Yes it does.

Nazism is/was a belief system, should I not be able to criticize that? Of course I should.

Legally? of course you can.

But dont expect to say whatever you want and have this assumption that you will get away with it just because the law is on ur side.

Not every one is going to follow the law.

[M i x]

The world is already ****ed up and we can't save it.

The religions are a big part of the ****ing up. It's just sad.

[I. AX]

Originally posted by MonkeyMan

The fact that Islam is linked to Arabs is purely coincidental, the same magazine has criticized a many of religions like Christianity. They are not mocking Arab culture, they happen to be mocking an idea prevalent within it.

They are mocking a religion that has 2billion+ followers.

For what gain? a few laughs?

Am sry but just because christians allow their religion to be ridiculed and dragged thru the mad doesnt mean muslims should react the same way.

[Iman]

Originally posted by TikiMiss

This magazine was fighting for the rights of press to actually publish whatever the hell they want. That's freedom of the press. That sounds pretty important to me.

STOP trying to compare this bs to the civil rights/women's rights movement. i dont see any laws/actions in place that are aimed to make the press second class citizens.

Originally posted by Halien4Life

.......for no good reason at all.

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Originally posted by MonkeyMan

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No one in this thread is presenting all Muslims as extremists.

islamophobia isnt a "buzzword." its ****ing real, as evidenced by the increasing attacks on mosques. there have been threads insult, disrespect, and label all muslims as extremists. also, they are many people outside of this forum who do so as well, so lets not try and limit this issue to this thread only.

[I. AX]

Imagine if everyone published whatever they wanted. They'd be no order.

We have moral philosophy for a reason. There is clearly a distinction between whats right and wrong and offending people and mocking them nationally is not the right thing to do.

We all know every action has a reaction and when the action is offensive what do u expect the reaction to be?

Miss me with this freedom of speech ********. When one of their editors insulted Sarkozy's son and paid a price? where were the freedom of speech advocates?

[Iman]

Originally posted by I. AX

Imagine if everyone published whatever they wanted. They'd be no order.

We have moral philosophy for a reason. There is clearly a distinction between whats right and wrong and offending people and mocking them nationally is not the right thing to do.

We all know every action has a reaction and when the action is offensive what do u expect the reaction to be?

Miss me with this freedom of speech ********. When one of their editors insulted Sarkozy's son and paid a price? where were the freedom of speech advocates?

[Cain]

Originally posted by I. AX

Imagine if everyone published whatever they wanted. They'd be no order.

We have moral philosophy for a reason. There is clearly a distinction between whats right and wrong and offending people and mocking them nationally is not the right thing to do.

We all know every action has a reaction and when the action is offensive what do u expect the reaction to be?

Miss me with this freedom of speech ********. When one of their editors insulted Sarkozy's son and paid a price? where were the freedom of speech advocates?

Sarkozy is a white European, if he gets mad it's normal cause you know he was insulted and if you are insulted you get mad, that's how it works.
Except for Muslims.
Right?

[Pokistic]

Originally posted by I. AX

Legally? of course you can.

But dont expect to say whatever you want and have this assumption that you will get away with it just because the law is on ur side.

Not every one is going to follow the law.

Your comments are concerning. I can't believe you are making justifications for these terrorists. There is no excuse to kill someone because of satire criticism no matter to who or what! Satire criticism is a long tradition of the West and its acceptance of free press and free speech. You don't like it, don't buy the magazine or newspaper or move to a more restricted 'values' country. Thats all. But you just don't attack with violence.

[KatyLegendperry]

The nerve

[H-I-M]

Yall is still going at it ? Fix it Allah Jesus.