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Celeb News: Gaga Media Backlash for DWUW Video
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
The media isn't giving her enough crtiticism in my opinion. I feel like she's getting off easy.
The founder of the born this way foundation, a foundation devoted to helping the youth of the world releases a video featuring not one but two alleged sexual predators. The first had allegedly raped a 13 year old girl. The second has had too many to count complaints of using his position to have sex with minors. - again, this coming from the leader of a foundation built to help children.
Everyone involved in this video that glorifies rape should feel ashamed of themselves. Anyone that's downplaying the vulgarity of it, is simply wrong.
The monsters here live in a bubble. They see people that say negative things about lady gaga and justify it in their minds by saying "they're just pressed" "there just the same few people" they truly believe that gaga is loved and that the "haterz" are just a few people that create dupes - they refuse to see what's happening in front of their very eyes.
Any person with a shred if decency or the tiniest moral compass can see just how wrong this clip is.
Not just that, that lies that she tells are also being exposed - "it was delayed because she was mismanaged" - um no. It was clearly cancelled because you get raped gaga. You knew that. Your team knew that and you went ahead and lied to your fans about being mismanaged anyways.
It's one of the final nails in her career coffin.
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Originally posted by Rusty
Monsters don't need to be living in a bubble to know you're a hater, Witty_Banter Dark_Lorde.
Irrespective of that, the clips we saw were interspersed so while none of us know exactly how the video plays out, the scene of her being played with while knocked-out hardly glorifies anything. It's meant to be unsettling and off-putting most likely, though again, none of us know. And give me a break with the lies, though nice to see how closely you follow Gaga (not that we didn't already know) - Gaga/her team/both decided to scrap the video. Then rather than embarrass R. Kelly or Terry Richardson she decided to blame it on timing and the outcome of mismanagement. She saved face, and is now taking the heat for it when she did it to protect her collaborators, not herself. Meanwhile, Miley's nudity-filled Terry-directed MV is a shoe-in for a VOTY nom at the VMAs.
She decides against putting out a video because of how it might be received, yet she should get more media backlash in your biased hater point-of-view because people leaked it? How on Earth does that make sense - she chose to scrap it. These final nails in her coffin are coming too fast-and-frequent nowadays... as she enjoys great success on tour, yet again. Monsters know Gaga's album sales and single sales declined this era, and while some might act like nothing's changed they're not half as bad as the people who act like she's some sort of has been based on ARTPOP. Worse still are the ones that will actively hate on her, and pretend all the while that they're impartial to what she releases.
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How is a video of a girl riding a wrecking ball naked and licking a hammer AT ALL comparable to a woman getting raped? Get off your high horse.
also wrecking ball's nominated because it's a good song... DWUW.... isn't
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Originally posted by Rusty
Monsters don't need to be living in a bubble to know you're a hater, Witty_Banter Dark_Lorde.
Irrespective of that, the clips we saw were interspersed so while none of us know exactly how the video plays out, the scene of her being played with while knocked-out hardly glorifies anything. It's meant to be unsettling and off-putting most likely, though again, none of us know. And give me a break with the lies, though nice to see how closely you follow Gaga (not that we didn't already know) - Gaga/her team/both decided to scrap the video. Then rather than embarrass R. Kelly or Terry Richardson she decided to blame it on timing and the outcome of mismanagement. She saved face, and is now taking the heat for it when she did it to protect her collaborators, not herself. Meanwhile, Miley's nudity-filled Terry-directed MV is a shoe-in for a VOTY nom at the VMAs.
She decides against putting out a video because of how it might be received, yet she should get more media backlash in your biased hater point-of-view because people leaked it? How on Earth does that make sense - she chose to scrap it. These final nails in her coffin are coming too fast-and-frequent nowadays... as she enjoys great success on tour, yet again. Monsters know Gaga's album sales and single sales declined this era, and while some might act like nothing's changed they're not half as bad as the people who act like she's some sort of has been based on ARTPOP. Worse still are the ones that will actively hate on her, and pretend all the while that they're impartial to what she releases.
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Rape is different from taking of your clothes
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
The media isn't giving her enough crtiticism in my opinion. I feel like she's getting off easy.
The founder of the born this way foundation, a foundation devoted to helping the youth of the world releases a video featuring not one but two alleged sexual predators. The first had allegedly raped a 13 year old girl. The second has had too many to count complaints of using his position to have sex with minors. - again, this coming from the leader of a foundation built to help children.
Everyone involved in this video that glorifies rape should feel ashamed of themselves. Anyone that's downplaying the vulgarity of it, is simply wrong.
The monsters here live in a bubble. They see people that say negative things about lady gaga and justify it in their minds by saying "they're just pressed" "there just the same few people" they truly believe that gaga is loved and that the "haterz" are just a few people that create dupes - they refuse to see what's happening in front of their very eyes.
Any person with a shred if decency or the tiniest moral compass can see just how wrong this clip is.
Not just that, that lies that she tells are also being exposed - "it was delayed because she was mismanaged" - um no. It was clearly cancelled because you get raped gaga. You knew that. Your team knew that and you went ahead and lied to your fans about being mismanaged anyways.
It's one of the final nails in her career coffin.
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Dear fellow Madonna listener, let me take you back to the Erotica and American Life days. Gaga's career is done when you're not talking about it anymore.
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Originally posted by BAYAR
Dear fellow Madonna listener, let me take you back to the Erotica and American Life days. Gaga's career is done when you're not talking about it anymore.
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Erotica and American life days have absolutely nothing to do with ARTPOP.
They're not even close to being similar.
Erotica is an album that deals with love, sex, fantasy and aids. The social climate during which it was released was those things were taboo. Mentioning those things, singing about those things was u heard of.
American life's lead single was anti war and anti bush and it came out during a time when the approval rating for bush and the war was at an all time high.
ARTPOP is an EDM album about sex, fashion, money and fame which was released during a time the media embraces and celebrates those things.
Dear fellow Madonna listener, American life and erotica serve as evidence of madonnas artistic
Integrity. There's no comparable gaga related moment.
As we Madonna fans from that very era (erotica) know, when it comes to censorship, where does Madonna draw the line and what does she feel crosses that line? - degregration and rape.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Erotica and American life days have absolutely nothing to do with ARTPOP.
As we Madonna fans from that very era (erotica) know, when it comes to censorship, where does Madonna draw the line and what does she feel crosses that line? - degregration and rape.
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You know what, at this point i don't even know why people take you seriously because it's obvious what your motives are. If you were a real madonna fan you would know about that madonna has crossed that line plenty of times in the past.
First in her sex book
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The only thing that Ramirez and Finnigan didn`t like about the book was the picture of a simulated rape at a school.
Says Finnigan, ``I understand her glorifying sadism and masochism and gays, but glorifying rape? Rape is not consensual. That is the key.``
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http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ok-ray-ramirez
Secondly in her first movie she ever made she was raped in it, are you forgetting this? The movie called "A certain sacrifice" which you conveniently seem to be forgetting
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Madonna played the part of Bruna, a Lower East Side resident who lives with three "love slaves" (one male, one female, one transgender). Bruna meets Dashiell (Pattnosh) in the water fountain in Washington Square Park and the two "fall in love". Bruna tells her lovers she doesn't need them anymore. They attack her sexually (this scene caused controversy since Madonna is topless). Later, Bruna is raped by Raymond Hall (Kurtz) in a bathroom at a coffee shop.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Certain_Sacrifice
Your bias is so apparent i don't know why i even bother. Madonna has crossed that line in the past, she has used rape in her "art", so for you to sit there and hold gaga to some higher standard is incredibly telling on what your motives are.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
You know what, at this point i don't even know why people take you seriously because it's obvious what your motives are. If you were a real madonna fan you would know about that madonna has crossed that line plenty of times in the past.
First in her sex book
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ok-ray-ramirez
Secondly in her first movie she ever made she was raped in it, are you forgetting this? The movie called "A certain sacrifice" which you conveniently seem to be forgetting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Certain_Sacrifice
Your bias is so apparent i don't know why i even bother. Madonna has crossed that line in the past, she has used rape in her "art", so for you to sit there and hold gaga to some higher standard is incredibly telling on what your motives are.
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Originally posted by CakeLike
You know what, at this point i don't even know why people take you seriously because it's obvious what your motives are. If you were a real madonna fan you would know about that madonna has crossed that line plenty of times in the past.
First in her sex book
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/199...ok-ray-ramirez
Secondly in her first movie she ever made she was raped in it, are you forgetting this? The movie called "A certain sacrifice" which you conveniently seem to be forgetting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Certain_Sacrifice
Your bias is so apparent i don't know why i even bother. Madonna has crossed that line in the past, she has used rape in her "art", so for you to sit there and hold gaga to some higher standard is incredibly telling on what your motives are.
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Thank you for providing an interpretation of what other people thought about a section in her "sex" book however, your problem is your source. Mine, is Madonna.
1991 dateline watch it. You see, you can provide other people's interpretations of madonnas work
All you want it doesn't make that interpretation correct and it doesn't mean that interpretation is endorsed by Madonna. - Madonna has not used rape in her art and no amount of people trying to figure out what a certain pic means will change that.
I'll give you the hypothetical. Pretend for a moment that Madonna did indeed recreate a rape scene in her book "sex" - you seem to be totally missing the point so here it is again for you - R.kelly and Terry Richardson have allegedly raped children in, REAL LIFE. You understand that right?
No amount of you trying to say Madonna uses rape in her art will change the fact that lady gaga used real alleged rapists.
Let's go through the difference one more time because I really want you to understand. If what you're saying is true then Madonna is guilty of using photographers to re-create a fantasy for her sex book.
Lady gaga is guilty of using real life alleged rapists in her music video that depicts rape. You get it don't you, that a real life 13 year old girl was held down against her will and made to have sexual intercourse with a 40 something year old man. You relise the difference is, that someone was ACTUALLY raped in lady gaga's case.
I'm not even going to address the role Madonna played I a movie where the character she plays gets raped. The ignorance that you guys comment is absolutely unbelievable.
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Of course she's facing a media backlash. She's Lady Gaga. Get them headlines.
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So glad Interscope blocked the release.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Thank you for providing an interpretation of what other people thought about a section in her "sex" book however, your problem is your source. Mine, is Madonna.
1991 dateline watch it. You see, you can provide other people's interpretations of madonnas work
All you want it doesn't make that interpretation correct and it doesn't mean that interpretation is endorsed by Madonna. - Madonna has not used rape in her art and no amount of people trying to figure out what a certain pic means will change that.
I'll give you the hypothetical. Pretend for a moment that Madonna did indeed recreate a rape scene in her book "sex" - you seem to be totally missing the point so here it is again for you - R.kelly and Terry Richardson have allegedly raped children in, REAL LIFE. You understand that right?
No amount of you trying to say Madonna uses rape in her art will change the fact that lady gaga used real alleged rapists.
Let's go through the difference one more time because I really want you to understand. If what you're saying is true then Madonna is guilty of using photographers to re-create a fantasy for her sex book.
Lady gaga is guilty of using real life alleged rapists in her music video that depicts rape. You get it don't you, that a real life 13 year old girl was held down against her will and made to have sexual intercourse with a 40 something year old man. You relise the difference is, that someone was ACTUALLY raped.
I'm not even going to address the role Madonna played I a movie where the character she plays gets raped. The ignorance that you guys comment is absolutely unbelievable.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
The media isn't giving her enough crtiticism in my opinion. I feel like she's getting off easy.
The founder of the born this way foundation, a foundation devoted to helping the youth of the world releases a video featuring not one but two alleged sexual predators. The first had allegedly raped a 13 year old girl. The second has had too many to count complaints of using his position to have sex with minors. - again, this coming from the leader of a foundation built to help children.
Everyone involved in this video that glorifies rape should feel ashamed of themselves. Anyone that's downplaying the vulgarity of it, is simply wrong.
The monsters here live in a bubble. They see people that say negative things about lady gaga and justify it in their minds by saying "they're just pressed" "there just the same few people" they truly believe that gaga is loved and that the "haterz" are just a few people that create dupes - they refuse to see what's happening in front of their very eyes.
Any person with a shred if decency or the tiniest moral compass can see just how wrong this clip is.
Not just that, that lies that she tells are also being exposed - "it was delayed because she was mismanaged" - um no. It was clearly cancelled because you get raped gaga. You knew that. Your team knew that and you went ahead and lied to your fans about being mismanaged anyways.
It's one of the final nails in her career coffin.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
I didn't claim that I wasn't a "hater" I'm certainly a hater based on the ridiculous peramateres of what makes a "hater" on atrl. Let's examine that though for a second. - I don't attack her based on the way she looks, her nationality, her gender or sexuality. I give my opinion based on the career decisions that she makes. I point out when she does something hypocritical etc etc etc.
You call me witty_banter because that's the name of a photo bucket account with some not so nice gifs and pics on it - but please tell me, where have those mean pics and gifs been used? Point out to me where I have used one of those gifs that crosses the line? Anywhere?
I'm sure I don't need to explain to someone who just wrote that paragraph what real hate is but you and others call me a hater based on the comments I make about her career, based on gifs that have never been used by me - you call me a hater based on your own ignorance, actually no, that's not true - you're not ignorant. You know exactly what you're doing. You call me a hater because you're desperate to make me appear as someone that isn't credible because you don't like what I say and the opinions I have. The worst part of it all is that you actually believe anyone that has half a working brain can't see what you guys do. - anyways my comment was all about the bubble you guys live in. You do. You're too blinded by the love you have of someone to see the obvious.
It's also a typical monster response that you gave. Where do I even start.
Listen, a woman that runs a foundation that pledged to help the youth of the world made a video with two alleged rapists of minors.
- it doesn't matter that we don't see what happens at the end of the video. It doesn't matter if the entire thing turns out to be a dream and the clip ends with rainbows and unicorns. The 30 second clip is enough. It's disgusting The fact two sexual predators are in the clip is enough. We don't need to see the rest (although I personally hope it is released)
Your response is also typical in the way you shift them blame to everyone else but gaga. Applause failed to meet expectations, DWUW never happened, the era in general - "it's all her team they mismanaged her"
She gets caught lying "oh she was doing to to save the dignity of Terry and R kelly" it's always someone else. It's always another persons fault. It's never gaga even though one of the biggest arguments you guys try to fight is that she does everything herself and is the centre of her career yet as soon as something bad happens she seems to be totally unaware and nothing is her fault.
You're even blind to the fact she's not enjoying great success on tour. You're blind to the fact that other artists play to much larger attendance in the same venues yet gaga is being called a sell out. You're blind to the fact that the recent gross doesn't match up to what billboard said when they wrote that spin article quoting live nation. There's never going to be a circumstance in this world my friend where grossing 500-800k in some shows is a success. It's pointless posting about it on here though - why? - that whole speech I just have about you being blind.
So by all means, call me a hater based on those incredibly ridiculous parameters, tell yourself that you're right and that she's still a great success, tell yourself that there's nothing morally wrong with her video because we don't get to see the end (LOL) tell yourself that she doesn't lie and when she does it's only to protect her team - the only way someone like you is going to learn is when you see it with your own eyes. You're going to watch this mess crash and burn and I sincerely hope you're not one of those people that thinks she actually saves lives because id hate to think of what would happen to you, once the inevitable end to her career (as we know it) occurs.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Erotica and American life days have absolutely nothing to do with ARTPOP.
They're not even close to being similar.
Erotica is an album that deals with love, sex, fantasy and aids. The social climate during which it was released was those things were taboo. Mentioning those things, singing about those things was u heard of.
American life's lead single was anti war and anti bush and it came out during a time when the approval rating for bush and the war was at an all time high.
ARTPOP is an EDM album about sex, fashion, money and fame which was released during a time the media embraces and celebrates those things.
Dear fellow Madonna listener, American life and erotica serve as evidence of madonnas artistic
Integrity. There's no comparable gaga related moment.
As we Madonna fans from that very era (erotica) know, when it comes to censorship, where does Madonna draw the line and what does she feel crosses that line? - degregration and rape.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Thank you for providing an interpretation of what other people thought about a section in her "sex" book however, your problem is your source. Mine, is Madonna.
1991 dateline watch it. You see, you can provide other people's interpretations of madonnas work
All you want it doesn't make that interpretation correct and it doesn't mean that interpretation is endorsed by Madonna. - Madonna has not used rape in her art and no amount of people trying to figure out what a certain pic means will change that.
I'll give you the hypothetical. Pretend for a moment that Madonna did indeed recreate a rape scene in her book "sex" - you seem to be totally missing the point so here it is again for you - R.kelly and Terry Richardson have allegedly raped children in, REAL LIFE. You understand that right?
No amount of you trying to say Madonna uses rape in her art will change the fact that lady gaga used real alleged rapists.
Let's go through the difference one more time because I really want you to understand. If what you're saying is true then Madonna is guilty of using photographers to re-create a fantasy for her sex book.
Lady gaga is guilty of using real life alleged rapists in her music video that depicts rape. You get it don't you, that a real life 13 year old girl was held down against her will and made to have sexual intercourse with a 40 something year old man. You relise the difference is, that someone was ACTUALLY raped in lady gaga's case.
I'm not even going to address the role Madonna played I a movie where the character she plays gets raped. The ignorance that you guys comment is absolutely unbelievable.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
I feel uncomfortable by the fact that her stans are excited about her being back in the media and making headlines again though. This isn't a good thing. This is bad. This is really, really bad for her brand and her image
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"As long as Gaga keeps getting those headlines!!!1!!! Queen!!!! Media ICON. Controversial Queen!!!1! Coming for Wrecking Ball sized views!!!1! Everyone loves her again!"
They're so proud of this
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Thank you for providing an interpretation of what other people thought about a section in her "sex" book however, your problem is your source. Mine, is Madonna.
1991 dateline watch it. You see, you can provide other people's interpretations of madonnas work
All you want it doesn't make that interpretation correct and it doesn't mean that interpretation is endorsed by Madonna. - Madonna has not used rape in her art and no amount of people trying to figure out what a certain pic means will change that.
I'll give you the hypothetical. Pretend for a moment that Madonna did indeed recreate a rape scene in her book "sex" - you seem to be totally missing the point so here it is again for you - R.kelly and Terry Richardson have allegedly raped children in, REAL LIFE. You understand that right?
No amount of you trying to say Madonna uses rape in her art will change the fact that lady gaga used real alleged rapists.
Let's go through the difference one more time because I really want you to understand. If what you're saying is true then Madonna is guilty of using photographers to re-create a fantasy for her sex book.
Lady gaga is guilty of using real life alleged rapists in her music video that depicts rape. You get it don't you, that a real life 13 year old girl was held down against her will and made to have sexual intercourse with a 40 something year old man. You relise the difference is, that someone was ACTUALLY raped in lady gaga's case.
I'm not even going to address the role Madonna played I a movie where the character she plays gets raped. The ignorance that you guys comment is absolutely unbelievable.
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Did Gaga say that DWUW video glorifies rape? Did she endorse it? No? Are you people using other people's interpretations of the SNIPPET of said video?
Hypocritical much?
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Originally posted by Giorgoc
Did Gaga say that DWUW video glorifies rape? Did she endorse it? No? Are you people using other people's interpretations of the SNIPPET of said video?
Hypocritical much?
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Dddd; clock ha!
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Rape is different from taking of your clothes
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So yes... Gaga gets punished for working with Richardson while Miley's is OK.
What kinda double standards?!
Either no-one should work with him. Or they all should be able to do so without this bs.
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Originally posted by Giorgoc
Did Gaga say that DWUW video glorifies rape? Did she endorse it? No? Are you people using other people's interpretations of the SNIPPET of said video?
Hypocritical much?
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clock a biT.
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Wow lord this was long, lemme abbreviate in replying.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
I didn't claim that I wasn't a "hater"...
You're too blinded by the love you have of someone to see the obvious.
It's also a typical monster response that you gave. Where do I even start.
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The parameters that make you a hater are based on the fact you bash anything she does, and write essays about her. You share/own a photobucket with pro-Madonna and anti-Gaga gifs/images which you post from around here. I have no idea where else you post the images from it, I don't care. It shows enough that over months you collected negative articles about Gaga to post around forums.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Listen, a woman that runs a foundation... It's disgusting The fact two sexual predators are in the clip is enough. We don't need to see the rest (although I personally hope it is released)
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At least we both agree on something, I'd also like the clip to be released. Gaga featuring R. Kelly in the video of a track he's on is just what was always going to happen. As for Terry, once again Miley worked with him (nobody cared) and Gaga has been working with him for years, very publically. Maybe this video is in bad taste, I genuinely can't judge based on the clips TMZ released - they wanted a story to fill their hour-long webcast.
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Your response is also typical in the way you shift them blame to everyone else but gaga.... and nothing is her fault.
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Lady Gaga was behind the concept of the video. She was behind the cancelling of the video. How is that not "blaming" Gaga for the video? Do you not agree she didn't cancel it because of R. Kelly/Terry being involved? It makes no sense to compare that to Applause or something else from the era, which I don't really understand because if anything the base has been criticizing Gaga left and right this era. Bone up on the stans while you're obsessing about Gagz, perhaps.
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You're even blind to the fact she's not enjoying great success on tour... once the inevitable end to her career (as we know it) occurs.
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This last paragraph is fantastic. It's pure seethe, which is delicious! Have you seen the era she's had and compared it to her tour? $14 million gross thus far is great success for a tour to the tune of an album that is a drop in sales and critical reception for Lady Gaga, still a new enough artist. The 100% is LiveNation's prerogative, something Madonna uses all the time on her tours as well. The money coming in is still great, she had a couple of lower-than-expected shows, by the majority are doing very, very well.
I have no idea why you assume I want to see the end of the music video - I want to see it all, we saw clips out of order. Context is important, both our fav's careers are based on it. Speaking of which, a Madge stan, you of all people shouldn't be so quick to decide a pop girl is done in this business, how many times did others say the same about her?
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Rape is different from taking of your clothes
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The point was that Terry Richardson made that music video also. Congratulations on missing it, completely.
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Originally posted by Giorgoc
Did Gaga say that DWUW video glorifies rape? Did she endorse it? No? Are you people using other people's interpretations of the SNIPPET of said video?
Hypocritical much?
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Thank you! The hypocritical reaction to anything Gaga does from people using double standards is tired as hell.
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