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Chart Listings: Billboard is turning into a joke now
Member Since: 9/26/2011
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Originally posted by Squall
Oh and I forgot because of the streaming rule, some songs remain in the top 10 for 10 years while their sales are free falling (last example: WHYB).
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Actually only song from Rihanna that did good on streaming was WFL. If you wanted to give example what songs now is kept alive in Hot 100 by streaming then they are WAY, STIUTK, CMM and Lights.
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lol the new chart thing they added for country/r&b/rap is giving songs more of a boost on charts
riri,taylor,psy
getting too pathetic. Those charts weren't even needed
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Originally posted by Squall
It's been a while though, they can't stop changing their rules when they want to (Katy's re-release sales are counted with the original ones but the singles aren't, lol?): for example, the streaming rule is completely stupid and we didn't need it (it made Taylor lose 2 weeks at #1 with WANEGBT, and avoided WA's #1) and now this... they're so annoying, unprofessional and stupid omg.
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tbh. and they added MORE unnecessary stuff to boost the charts
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by Ulrihs
Actually only song from Rihanna that did good on streaming was WFL. If you wanted to give example what songs now is kept alive in Hot 100 by streaming then they are WAY, STIUTK, CMM and Lights.
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Also, You Da One benefitted from streaming. It didn't peak very high on the On-Demand, since it was never a massive hit in the first palce, but when they included streaming, it had a big jump in the chart that week (when it was free-falling before).
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Originally posted by Tsuko
Also, You Da One benefitted from streaming. It didn't peak very high on the On-Demand, since it was never a massive hit in the first palce, but when they included streaming, it had a big jump in the chart that week (when it was free-falling before).
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"You Da One" by Rihanna (No. 31 on On-Demand Songs), moves 97-76 on this week's Hot 100, whereas it would have fallen off the chart if the list's methodology had not been changed.
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I wouldn't call this benefiting worth to mention.
Those songs (in my previous post) now are getting longevity because of streaming. Don't mind drops, they are because of M&S destroying streaming chart. #20 now are about 500K streams, #10 above 600K.
5 4 31 Some Nights, fun.
11 6 31 Lights, Ellie Goulding
13 5 31 Call Me Maybe, Carly Rae Jepsen
17 11 31 Somebody That I Used To Know, Gotye Featuring Kimbra
21 14 31 We Are Young, fun. Featuring Janelle Monae
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Member Since: 4/23/2011
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Originally posted by jason_z89
Every move that's reducing radio's power is welcome!
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This!!
Sales > Streaming > Radio
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Member Since: 11/10/2011
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Originally posted by Ulrihs
I wouldn't call this benefiting worth to mention.
Those songs (in my previous post) now are getting longevity because of streaming. Don't mind drops, they are because of M&S destroying streaming chart. #20 now are about 500K streams, #10 above 600K.
5 4 31 Some Nights, fun.
11 6 31 Lights, Ellie Goulding
13 5 31 Call Me Maybe, Carly Rae Jepsen
17 11 31 Somebody That I Used To Know, Gotye Featuring Kimbra
21 14 31 We Are Young, fun. Featuring Janelle Monae
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Yeah, You Da One was helped a lot by streaming, and I'm aware of those. Also ****** in Paris and The Motto are HUGELY benefitted by streaming. Also Mercy by Kanye West, is like #6 is streaming, and #50 on iTunes. Says it all really lol. Clique will no doubt follow the same course.
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More proof that Billboard has been overran by Communists who hate rock music.
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Originally posted by Ulrihs
Actually only song from Rihanna that did good on streaming was WFL. If you wanted to give example what songs now is kept alive in Hot 100 by streaming then they are WAY, STIUTK, CMM and Lights.
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Actually that's not what I meant, with the streaming thing, they change the weight of each component of the Hot 100 ratings.
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They need to revise their revise if they are gonna keep it. They are giving sales too strong of a deciding factor in charts that don't get a lot of sales and they need to restrict it to singles only. It is like a scale with a 100 pound weight on one end and a 10 pound weight end on the other. Any song that is by a popular artist or getting played on pop radio will be on will be getting to much of an edge especially if that radio format isn't picking it up. The biggest example is well.... Taylor Swift. Love her and her music, but as long as she has a song out on pop radio and the US public is eating it up, like they are to WANEGBT, it will unfairly be #1 on Country Radio for too long of a time, only cause she is classified by Billboard as a country artist. Or like on the Rock chart, there is like 12 Mumford & Sons tracks charting, all but I Will Wait is charting only cause of sales and streaming. Then you get Train's auto debut at #4 cause of it's sales and Phillip Phillips 39 spot jump cause of the sales alone. Neither song were getting radio play except Triple A radio which were barely being played.
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Originally posted by jason_z89
Every move that's reducing radio's power is welcome!
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I agree
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I don't consider these changes a move that reduces radio's power really. If radio's power was indeed reduced, then "Red" would have been the #1 country song over "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together". If just digital sales and streaming were added, without crossover airplay, to the Country chart, then "Red" would have been #1 driven by consumer mediums (digital sales). Instead, CHR/Pop airplay [which has max AI peaks that are much higher than the peaks attainable on the Country format on BDS] drove "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" to #1. So instead of radio losing its power when it comes to the format charts; instead the power was simply shifted some from Country formats to all formats.
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Originally posted by collin
It should be 50% sales, 25% radio and 25% streaming, tbh.
And maybe a diminish in radio/streaming if there is something else that goes into the chart formula.
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why all the hate at streaming? It shows what people ACTUALLY listen to.
Should be:
Radio - 10%
Streaming - 30%
Sales - 30%
YOUTUBE, DAILYMOTION, VEVO, ETC - 30%
Videos I don't count as streaming because they're a whole separate type of streaming. And they're worth JUST AS MUCH as sales and streaming on Spotify/Zune/Rhapsody/etc.
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How can you say VEVO and the others should account for 30%?
Billboard already gave that an aswer and there's a chart for Youtube. But everyone can watch those videos on Youtube. I can watch it, some kid in Cambodia can watch them. How are they reflective of what the US is listening to?
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Originally posted by Glam
How can you say VEVO and the others should account for 30%?
Billboard already gave that an aswer and there's a chart for Youtube. But everyone can watch those videos on Youtube. I can watch it, some kid in Cambodia can watch them. How are they reflective of what the US is listening to?
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True
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Originally posted by Glam
How can you say VEVO and the others should account for 30%?
Billboard already gave that an aswer and there's a chart for Youtube. But everyone can watch those videos on Youtube. I can watch it, some kid in Cambodia can watch them. How are they reflective of what the US is listening to?
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Each video has statistics that YouTube and the uploaders can access that show who visited the videos and what country that view was from.
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
That wasn't an illogical rule change. The actual #1 album sold 2.5 times more than Blackout.
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You know they changed the rules at last minute when Blackout was already pronounced as the #1 album of the country. People are still trying to figure out why the did it a day before, since by that time, rule changes applied the week after the announcement.
So no. It wasn't fair at all.
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That's bull****. 35% my ***. If it was 35%, Little Talks would have gone top 35.
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Originally posted by JGibson
More proof that Billboard has been overran by Communists who hate rock music.
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Including streaming in the chart is really helping alternative/rock music though.
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