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Poll: Does Race Still Matter In The Pop Industry?
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View Poll Results: Does it?
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Yes.
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62.96% |
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No.
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Originally posted by L.B GAGA
I swear if Azealia does not smash, ill be pissed beyond normal. Ill believe this racist thing but i must say i blame record companies, there promotion is horrid for those artistd and the media for lacklustre hype.
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She's the new artist that i'm crossing my fingers for. And she's so pretty
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Member Since: 7/7/2011
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Absolutely. It's persistent in entertainment as much as it is in sports. Whoever says otherwise is naive. This is atrl though where Beyonce is considered local so i know what direction this is headed
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by rbautz
But can we say the same from Black Community, most of them listen to black musician, only when something is really good, race doesn't matter. Look at the Grammys, when Adele won the main price she came on the stage and griped and hug LL Cool J without any reservedness, and the blacks who had seen this knew this was genuine.
The same some years ago with the comeback of Tina Turner she was that good and genuine that race doesn't matter.
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But white folk don't think the same commercially, hence the point.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by Sound Check
How about you educate people on all the outstanding latin and asian music out there instead of being a pretentious snob about it? No need to be rude, especially when the person you're insulting acknowledges their ignorance towards those markets.
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Excuse me? What he said was incredibly offensive, basically discrediting thousands of artists and decades of music out of ignorance. If he's admitting he's ignorant he shouldn't be making those comments in the first place.
I would recommend listening to Andres Calamaro, Cafe Tacuba, 90s Shakira, Janeatte, Los Enanitos Verdes, Babasonicos and Molotov for starters. EXCELLENT music that holds up against any other from any other continent/racial group.
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Member Since: 8/12/2012
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Originally posted by Sláy
But white folk don't think the same commercially, hence the point.
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Maybe in the US, In Europe they loved Tina they really loved her and buy her records in large amounts.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Sound Check
What point are you trying to make?
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that it was initally a black only thing, because it spoke of racism that blacks faced and social issues, so to have a white guy outsell every single rapper is not just a slap in the face but almost an insult (even though he is mad talented).
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Originally posted by YSL
It does but I'm not here for people using it as a cop out for their fav especially when they're making pretty much the same music their white peers are.
And latino artists don't smash? What are Shakira, J.Lo, Enrique Iglesias, hell even Pitbull?
Edit: Just saw the edit on the latino part.  |
U answered your own question, they make similar music as their white counterparts but results are varied.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by rbautz
Maybe in the US, In Europe they loved Tina they really loved her.
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True, true.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by NE.
Please don't tell me you actually believe this. 
Do you not realize many white parents would never take their daughters to a Mindless Behavior concert? The last thing plenty of white parents want is their daughters to start fancying black boys. Oh lord, at the point it's time to move out of the neighborhood.
This is stuff that happens, I think many of you are aware of it, but are trying to be liberal about this. |
You're basing this off many horrible stereotypes....don't generalize. I'm sure in some conservative areas that would be the case, but in many many other places (and not to even speak about outside of America) where interracial dating is totally acceptable.
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Member Since: 9/9/2011
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Originally posted by Sound Check
That's true, but at the same time, Karmin isn't exactly taken seriously. And also, they pretty much are on the same level of success in pop music as Rita Ora or Shontelle. And people forget artists like Usher and Jason Derulo and Chris Brown all manage to score big pop hits as well. They might not sell much, but they aren't selling much less than Ke$ha, Christina, Katy, Lana, etc.
What point are you trying to make?
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I don't understand how you think it's the same. It's far more complicated than that. I'm not saying it's exactly fair, but come on. Hip-Hop was a result of the oppression blacks felt from whites. It was all about freedom. It's easier to understand why it's hard for a white rap artist to get into Hip-Hop than it for a black person to get into pop.
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
She's the new artist that i'm crossing my fingers for. And she's so pretty
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Yeah, she is gorgeous & flawless plus her talent is fresh.
What shocks me is the UK is already here for her but her own country is yet to feel her, which pisses me off. They better not pay her dust . Loooord hold me.
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Member Since: 6/2/2011
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Originally posted by Deemy
They not gonna say what the **** is she doing? They just wont buy it. Did u think white ppl knew who Janelle Monae if it wasnt for Fun. They probably still dont.  |
The stereotyping and generalizations in this thread are really worrying.....not every white person is going to look at someone with an afro and be afraid of them and want nothing to do with them. I'm mostly white and a fan of Janelle since way before I knew what a Fun. was....the hipster community embraced her as well, which is mostly white.
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Member Since: 8/28/2012
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Originally posted by L.B GAGA
Yeah, she is gorgeous & flawless plus her talent is fresh.
What shocks me is the UK is already here for her but her own country is yet to feel her, which pisses me off. They better not pay her dust . Loooord hold me.
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We're too busy with fake rap from nicki minaj
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Member Since: 7/19/2009
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Originally posted by shanners
The fact of the matter is it all boils down to money.....
Legend:
Ethnic = only that specific Ethnic Market
General Public = Caucasian Market + European Market
Light Skin Black Pop music = 75%-90% Ethnic Market + 75%- 90% General Public Market = Profit
Beyonce(DIL,B-DAY & IAMSF ) & Rihanna
Light Skin Black R&B music= 80-95% Ethnic Market + 60%-75% General Public Market = Profit
Alicia Keys & Beyonce(4)
Medium - to Brown Skinned Pop or R&B music = 50% - 75% Ethnic Market + 40% General Public Market = Moderate Profit
(Chrisette Michele & Ciara)
Dark Skinned with R&B/Soul music = 50% - 60% Ethnic Market + 30%-40% General Public Market = low profit somewhat marketable
(Mary J Blidge)
Dark skinned with Pop/techno music = 25% Ethnic Market + 25%-35% General Public Market = Not Marketable
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Uhm HOW is DIL and B'Day considered Pop? 
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Member Since: 8/30/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
We're too busy with fake rap from nicki minaj
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Sis dont get harsh on Nicki Minaj, i love her also. She is also a one in a million talent, her belting out swag is sooo coool.
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Member Since: 4/18/2012
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Originally posted by Rock That Beat...
Uhm HOW is DIL and B'Day considered Pop? |
Crossover appeal that 4 lacked..... 
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Member Since: 5/7/2009
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it will always matter 
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Member Since: 7/7/2011
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Originally posted by Mhs90
If a black female artist debuts her new music today, she will be INSTANTLY compared to Rihanna and Beyonce. If she doesnt match up, audience will lose interest and the artist will easily flop in selling
A white female popstar? I dont think so
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Exactly esp if she's aiming for the pop crowd. Azealia n Nicki dint have to worry about that cus they came out as rappers. Melanie Fiona dint get that flack cus she stuck to her "lane". Same with Elle Varner. So basically if ur a black girl u are welcome to the fold as long as u r not making pop music. I guess we can blame the black public for this too esp the ones on blogs. I think Rih's euro sound only makes it worse. Bey crossed over with genuinely urban-rooted music
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Not Mary J being put in the dark skin category.
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Member Since: 2/16/2012
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Originally posted by Rock That Beat...
Uhm HOW is DIL and B'Day considered Pop? |
B'day and IASF were both marketed as pop ablums in europe. Deja vu, irreplaceable, beautiful liar, green light, if i were a boy (and then SL), halo and sweet dreams and broken hearted girl. DIL worked cause Bey was hot as was r&b.
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