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Poll: More original: Katy or Gaga?
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Katy
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38.94% |
Gaga
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61.06% |
Member Since: 8/16/2011
Posts: 3,505
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Originally posted by Imogene
Gaga sings, plays instruments, write songs... sells albums. Katy has only singles...
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Katy does ALL of this
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Member Since: 4/14/2012
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
Gaga is by far more original.
Everyone focuses on the Born This Way/Express yourself ********, but anyone with a music background will tell you that the similarities between the chord progressions of those two songs pales in comparison to the blatant ripoffs and rehashes by producers like Dr. Luke, Max Martin, and a few others who produce for Katy, Britney, Ke$ha, etc. The songs are masked well by different production, but when you strip away everything there is NOTHING original about most of Katy Perry's songs. She aims for shallow fun, like most of her peers, and has a history of hypocritically exploiting trends and themes to sell records. Her songwriting is almost always aided by 3-5 other songwriters (courtesy of Dr. Luke) and her hits (courtesy of Dr. Luke (yes I know, Katy Cats, that he didn't produce Firework, please come up with a better excuse)) are carefully crafted to fit her cotton candy image hollow of substance and sincerity. It's hard to be original when you're entire career is predicated on being a manufactured doll.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
Posts: 15,569
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
Those songs are literally exactly the same except for the production (good work Dr. Luke ) And it's not like the Katy Cats didn't reach back over 20 years to say Born This Way sounded somewhat similar to Express Yourself
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Katy Cats are not the only ones who said that about BTW. EVERYBODY in the GP and the media did the instant it came out.
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Member Since: 3/6/2011
Posts: 4,948
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Originally posted by vuelve88
Madonna shall be my guide. My vote has been made.
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Originally posted by vuelve88
You sound bitter.
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And you sound ignorant.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
Posts: 32,412
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LOL Everyone is unoriginal in some ways guys. Katy in the sense that she's like the generic pop star and Gaga in that she tries to shock and do things that are beyond the norm in music. BOTH have been done to death prior to them. Gaga's originality lies within her talent to write good music with double meanings. She's an expert at metaphors.
Katy has her looks going for her, and her voice fits perfectly in many pop/rock pieces, she's able to at least co-write. She has talent, but she also has potential to become even better than that. But let's be honest for Gaga OR Katy neither of these are entirely original. Their imagery is what makes them different.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by notegeek
If you think that Katy's forced co-writing credit means that she somehow came up with the hook of the song, you're simply being delusional.
ALL of Katy's singles have come from her producers and PROFESSIONAL writing teams. They are not known for their lyrics (not that Katy even wrote most of those), but rather for their hooks and production (credit to Luke, Martin, etc.).
The same applies to Nicki and Ke$ha, Britney and Jessie J, and to a lesser degree, Rihanna.
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you're saying Rihanna writes more than Katy?
If Katy didn't want to write her music, I doubt her label would care. Considering that before she blew up pop girls hardly were the lead co writer for ALL their songs, and the general public doesn't give a ****..
Producers throw their name on writing credits. Thats practically been proven.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
Posts: 52,363
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
It's the same thing with Katy/Gaga (at least on here/ the internet) Katy can't wear a black dress without getting Gaga comparisons. Katy can't dye her hair without being accused of being influenced by Gaga. Katy can't take a **** because sometime back in 2009 Gaga took a ****.
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but the cube head peice
Everyone was claiming gaga...not just the monsters...that's saying something
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Member Since: 6/6/2012
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Originally posted by longjohn9898
Gaga is by far more original.
Everyone focuses on the Born This Way/Express yourself ********, but anyone with a music background will tell you that the similarities between the chord progressions of those two songs pales in comparison to the blatant ripoffs and rehashes by producers like Dr. Luke, Max Martin, and a few others who produce for Katy, Britney, Ke$ha, etc. The songs are masked well by different production, but when you strip away everything there is NOTHING original about most of Katy Perry's songs. She aims for shallow fun, like most of her peers, and has a history of hypocritically exploiting trends and themes to sell records. Her songwriting is almost always aided by 3-5 other songwriters (courtesy of Dr. Luke) and her hits (courtesy of Dr. Luke (yes I know, Katy Cats, that he didn't produce Firework, please come up with a better excuse)) are carefully crafted to fit her cotton candy image hollow of substance and sincerity. It's hard to be original when you're entire career is predicated on being a manufactured doll.
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Member Since: 6/13/2011
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Originally posted by notegeek
You are correct, Kelly did it first. Kelly is basic too (in terms of single choices - NOT artistry, because she is far more talented). What's your point, though? Katy is still not unique in any way, shape, or form. She just uses a bit more glitter and candy than Nicki, and a bit less than Ke$ha.
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you dont make sense. pressed is what you are.
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Member Since: 11/17/2011
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
Katy Cats are not the only ones who said that about BTW. EVERYBODY in the GP and the media did the instant it came out.
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Yep, A few weeks before it came out everyone was saying how it sounded like Express Yourself. So even people who had sneak peaks knew about it. The only one who didn't say that was Elton John, he said it sounded like a better "I will survive" I think that's because he doesn't like Madonna though.
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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I left this thread, and I can't believe the same people vouching for Gaga are STILL here. Ignore List candidates, I see.
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Member Since: 8/16/2011
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Originally posted by The Best One Yet
And if Katy songs can be made by anyone why are other popstars working with Dr. Luke and not selling 5 million like Katy? (Britney, Rihanna, Jessie J)...
And why people say Kimbra voice is similar to Katy, or Domino is a copy of Katy?.... she obviously has her own place in music business.
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Preach that true tea
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Member Since: 2/13/2012
Posts: 1,733
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Originally posted by NYotov
Not really. If she was more creative she'd have a broader/stronger following, more selling power etc etc. Instead she releases generic, uninspired stuff all the time and, as a result, people don't take her seriously & use her only for radio. Her style isn't all that either - I mean, look at the VMA outfit - she tried too hard to be "different" and FAILED miserably . (as if wearing the giant cube wasn't horrible enough)
Face it kats, cathy is the biggest dick-rider in the industry and will never be considered an original artist. I mean , even Carly is better than her
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Of course not! In that case artists like Robyn would be smashing and selling millions of records but they're not! The same with movies, I've seen tons of original and indie movies that sometimes don't even make it to cinemas. In the other side. Adele is not that original and her album is still top 10.
And the delusion in your last line Carly is a cute and talented girl but right now she's not adding something different to the pop world.
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Member Since: 4/14/2012
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Originally posted by Ramcoro
you're saying Rihanna writes more than Katy?
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No. And at this point I'm seriously concerned for your grade 3 English teacher. They should be fired.
With that being said, the reason that Rihanna is criticized to a lesser extent for being generic, is that her back catalogue and raw, unexploited talent (especially visually) is deeper than of the others. She's still pretty basic right now, but hopefully one day she will realize that she can do much better than the generic producers.
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Member Since: 2/27/2012
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I think i need to change my answer; the reason i was somewhat confused is because GaGa is constantly accused of copying someone, but like it or not GaGa has definetly inspired as well. If anything GaGa's influence is alot greater than Katy's, therefore i have to admit, that as much as i don't care for GaGa, she is definetly more original and more copied.
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Member Since: 8/29/2011
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
but the cube head peice
Everyone was claiming gaga...not just the monsters...that's saying something
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For like a day. Then everyone remembered that Katy wore quirky **** before Gaga (2008 EMAs), and a simple cube on your head is not nearly as weird as what Gaga is known for (meat dress, Egg at the Grammys, etc).
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
Posts: 9,618
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Originally posted by castrobabytiger
but the cube head peice
Everyone was claiming gaga...not just the monsters...that's saying something
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Even a well respected political/fashion magazine aka Vanity Fair made fun of the head piece and how try hard it was.
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