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Discussion: How much of Lemonade did Beyonce write?
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Originally posted by Superpower
So we went from:
1. Beyoncé steals credits
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2. Bwhahaha 78 writers!!11!!
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3. But she only wrote 40% of the album
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"Beyonce paid to win 9 Grammy's"
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Originally posted by Superpower
So we went from:
1. Beyoncé steals credits
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2. Bwhahaha 78 writers!!11!!
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3. But she only wrote 40% of the album
What's next? |
we didn't go from one to the other. everything you just said has always been there.
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Member Since: 5/2/2012
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Originally posted by swissman
This is a girl that even Prince was surprised to find out how much she knew about music.
She has been doing music since she was a kid. And not just for fun, like full summer boot camps.
She's worked with writers since she was a child.
She's worked with writers for the great majority of her life.
How are people just assuming that she has no writing ability whatsoever, point blank?
Where are all these collaborators coming for her? She's had MANY collaborators, all we have is one producer saying in non-specific way that if someone like Beyoncé wants a credit she should get it. Aside from that all we have are people praising her contributions.
Why does her songwriting bother you so much?
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It's not even assuming -- we have proof of her writing full songs on her own -- lyrics, arrangement and all but the track she sang it to, but that doesn't matter because it's really not about objectively assessing her overall creative process and abilities, but nitpicking where she has what appears to be the smallest possible contributions and then discrediting from that point while ignoring the overwhelming majority of her songs where there's overwhelming commentary from collaborators, drastically different demos vs. finished products and so on. It's the same rinse, lather, repeat -- it would be nice to be able to objectively discuss the creation of her albums, but that isn't possible with all the loaded agendas.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Salacious
Then don't go on a whole spiel, lol.  |
Rhetorical questions are often used in presenting a point.
Like saying, "A day at the beach, is there a better way to spend your weekend?"
You don't need someone to answer "Well we could be going to Spain", the point is that you're happy about going to the beach. 
So asking why people just assume she has no abilities whatsoever is putting forth the point that there is no evidence whatsoever that she cannot write or doesn't contribute to her songs.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Ascension
It's not even assuming -- we have proof of her writing full songs on her own -- lyrics, arrangement and all but the track she sang it to, but that doesn't matter because it's really not about objectively assessing her overall creative process and abilities, but nitpicking where she has what appears to be the smallest possible contributions and then discrediting from that point while ignoring the overwhelming majority of her songs where there's overwhelming commentary from collaborators, drastically different demos vs. finished products and so on. It's the same rinse, lather, repeat -- it would be nice to be able to objectively discuss the creation of her albums, but that isn't possible with all the loaded agendas.
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Truly, and with this enlightenment the thread should just be over.
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Originally posted by chilicheese01
Some artists/bands can say they've written and produced their entire album without any outside help. Not everyone has that!
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I ask again is this supposed to be shade?
Just because one person wrote an entire album doesn't make it superior or better than an album with 100 writers. What matters is the result. I'll always take a good song written by 12 people over a crappy song written by one.
And by the way, I bet you can't name one act who wrote/produced/mixed/engineered an entire album by themselves.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by swissman
I did so because you quoted a short comment that named DHY as one of two examples, and so mentioning one of them related to the point. It wasn't clear to me you just meant generally, sorry for misunderstanding. 
Still, Beyoncé can have as little involvement in some songs as possible, but we still have lots of accounts of her important involvement in others. |
My comment was more related to the anecdotes you read where someone says, "Wow! I sent my demo to [insert artist], and when I heard it again, it was so good! I could have never imagined it going to that level." Obviously it was going to be different when your demo was used, but you weren't. This is also speaking to producers or writers who are dropped at some point in the recording process and still credited for their work. Songs are bound to sound different to you if you weren't there from start to finish.
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Who cares how much she wrote? She's still about to win AOTY at the grammy's or at least be nominated for it lol.
The album is amazing and most of our fav popgirls don't write a lick so...
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Originally posted by Ascension
It's not even assuming -- we have proof of her writing full songs on her own -- lyrics, arrangement and all but the track she sang it to, but that doesn't matter because it's really not about objectively assessing her overall creative process and abilities, but nitpicking where she has what appears to be the smallest possible contributions and then discrediting from that point while ignoring the overwhelming majority of her songs where there's overwhelming commentary from collaborators, drastically different demos vs. finished products and so on. It's the same rinse, lather, repeat -- it would be nice to be able to objectively discuss the creation of her albums, but that isn't possible with all the loaded agendas.
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And with this tea, I turn off my phone and go to bed 
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Originally posted by Superpower
I ask again is this supposed to be shade?
Just because one person wrote an entire album doesn't make it superior or better than an album with 100 writers. What matters is the result. I'll always take a good song written by 12 people over a crappy song written by one.
And by the way, I bet you can't name one act who wrote/produced/mixed/engineered an entire album by themselves.
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I wonder how an album written and produced solely by Beyonce would sound?
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Member Since: 4/4/2014
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Originally posted by AALIYAH DANA
So you think Beyonce is in same league of songwriting Like Mariah,Adele and Taylor?
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What league was your fave in? Oh ok
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Don't y'all ever get ****ing tired of rewriting the same ol' threads and rehashing the same ol' conversations?
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Originally posted by NEUTRON
Don't y'all ever get ****ing tired of rewriting the same ol' threads and rehashing the same ol' conversations?
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No.
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Originally posted by swissman
Rhetorical questions are often used in presenting a point.
Like saying, "A day at the beach, is there a better way to spend your weekend?"
You don't need someone to answer "Well we could be going to Spain", the point is that you're happy about going to the beach.
So asking why people just assume she has no abilities whatsoever is putting forth the point that there is no evidence whatsoever that she cannot write or doesn't contribute to her songs. |
I'm aware, but it still seems excessive to ask three rhetorical questions for one small paragraph, so I'm a little hesitant to believe you. Regardless, I gave you my answer to your rhetorical question. 
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Beyonce is not a song writer, she edits an already finished song to suit her. And that is not something to be ridiculed over!!
How ever Columbia records are to be blamed for branding Beyonce as the Multi talented, multi skilled performer, dancer, singer, song writer, producer etc... They branded her this way ever since Destiny's Child to make her stand out. Unfortunately Beyonce is receiving back slash for this.
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Member Since: 6/2/2012
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Why is Beyonce the only artists that gets hate for not writing? 
She's the main producer of Daddy Lessons (the other two producers are listed as co-producers). I don't think many Pop stars can say that.
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Member Since: 7/12/2010
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*Discredits critically acclaimed singer for co-writing songs*
*Doesn't discredit singer who can't properly sing*
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Member Since: 2/20/2012
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Originally posted by Superpower
I ask again is this supposed to be shade?
Just because one person wrote an entire album doesn't make it superior or better than an album with 100 writers. What matters is the result. I'll always take a good song written by 12 people over a crappy song written by one.
And by the way, I bet you can't name one act who wrote/produced/mixed/engineered an entire album by themselves.
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Patrick Stump - Soul Punk is close enough!
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Originally posted by SebaMonster
Why is Beyonce the only artists that gets hate for not writing?
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What's more puzzling is why you think this. 
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