[C.Damen]

Originally posted by Mr. Wonder

Because you stated certain ppl in this thread should go outside and get some air. Why do that when I can just open the window and get the same result?

Because when you go outside and feel the air around you, it will keep you from trolling this thread.

[Cheetos]

This thread

[C.Damen]

Not this thread reaching 10 pages.

[Sheena]

Because Madonna>>

[ultraviolento]

Originally posted by Chimier

Coming from the person who had the nerve to tweet #AfricanSalesMatter, I'm not worried.



No, it's because she's not talented.

This is what happens when you don't fully grasp a concept. My stance on Madonna not being global because of her lack of popularity in Africa is not the same as thinking that Africa is the center of globalness. If she is known on every continent on the planet BUT one (which happens to be the 2nd biggest), then she isn't global. The same would go for ANY OTHER person. If Whitney was known on every continent but one, she wouldn't truly be global. Same for Mariah. Same for Janet. Same for MJ and Prince. Unfortunately for you, they are. That's not my fault. Redirect your upset and hurt to the right person.

They are? The LIES!

I mean, outside the US and maybe Africa, Janet Jackson isn't really known, her receipts and a lot of different ATRlers from all over the world can tell you that. For instance, she's a nobody here in Brazil/South America. So therefore she's noT global according to you.

Anyway, thanks for your incredibly relevant input on Madonna's enormous talent, ATRL member and certified African spokesman Chimier. Sadly for you, the world and the industry disagree. One of the reasons why she's inducted into the glorious R&R HOF. Not everybody has that.

[Sheena]

Originally posted by Mr. Wonder

No she hasn't. Madonna is in the 34th year of her career (1982 to 2016).

MJ: 1969 to 2009 = 40 years
Prince: 1978 to 2016 = 38 years
Janet: 1973 to 2016 = 43 years
Celine Dion: 1981 to 2016 = 35 years

The only peers Madonna outlasted are Whitney and Mariah, and only because they debuted after her.

Janet hasnt had success since 2001.

[Nemo]

Originally posted by Mr. Wonder

What does any of this prove?

I

[IMPACTNET.]

Originally posted by Sheena

Janet hasnt had success since 2001.

If you know you're ignorant about a topic, it's best to just keep quiet instead of talking just to fit in.

[Mr. Wonder]

Originally posted by C.Damen

Because when you go outside and feel the air around you, it will keep you from trolling this thread.

I'll just take my computer outside with me.

Originally posted by Sheena

Janet hasnt had success since 2001.

After 2001, she had two platinum albums, a top 40 and top 20 hit (one of which is probably platinum by now), starred in three successful films, went on another successful tour in 2011, had the most successful Blackglama campaign of the company's 50+ year history (besting those of Naomi Campbell, Marlene Dietrich, Babs Streisand, and plenty others), put out another hits compilation that is eligible for gold status, and became one of three artists to have a #1 album in four separate decades (not every artist has that) with the lead single spending 12 weeks at #1 on the adult R&B chart.

Go sit down.

[C.Damen]

My food is here!

OT: Madonna and Janet started their SOLO music careers in the 80s, so they have been in the industry as solo recording artists for roughly the same amount of time.

[Chimier]

Originally posted by ultraviolento

They are? The LIES!

I mean, outside the US and maybe Africa, Janet Jackson isn't really known, her receipts and a lot of different ATRlers from all over the world can tell you that. For instance, she's a nobody here in Brazil/South America. So therefore she's noT global according to you.

She's such a nobody she has her own Brazilian site: http://janetbr.com/
Didn't she cancel one of her Brazilian shows in 2011 cos it was gonna conflict with filming and that upset her Brazilian fans who had been waiting DECADES to see her live? Oh yes...I remember that. LOL try harder.

How funny, though, that you would cite the personal experiences of ATRLers as receipts, yet constantly try to deny and minimize my experiences, as well as those of IMPACTNET and Mr. Wonder. Now why is that? Hmmm...

Originally posted by ultraviolento

Anyway, thanks for your incredibly relevant input on Madonna's enormous talent, ATRL member and certified African spokesman Chimier. Sadly for you, the world and the industry disagree. One of the reasons why she's inducted into the glorious R&R HOF. Not everybody has that.

The world also includes the continent of Africa, where she's not that well-known.

Some of the pioneers of Western popular music haven't been inducted into the "glorious R&R HOF", so you're really not saying as much as you think you are. But hey! If at first you don't succeed....

[Tower]

because hapussy tastes like butter

[Cheetos]

At the end of the day, regardless of the essays and drama over Madonna being popular on a continent with a minuscule music market, she is the best selling female recording artist of all times. There can only be one. Everything else is just noise.

[Cheetos]

Also Celine and Mariah have some success to this day. Like they're all super rich who cares

[IMPACTNET.]

Originally posted by Cheetos

At the end of the day, regardless of the essays and drama over Madonna being popular on a continent with a minuscule music market, she is the best selling female recording artist of all times. There can only be one. Everything else is just noise.

And none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand, nor does it suggest she outlasted any of her peers. 10 pages in and you all STILL don't understand what outlast means. A simple Google search would fix this, but then again this IS Atrl after all.

[Cheetos]

Originally posted by IMPACTNET.

And none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand, nor does it suggest she outlasted any of her peers. 10 pages in and you all STILL don't understand what outlast means. A simple Google search would fix this, but then again this IS Atrl after all.

I didn't say anything about her out lasting anyone cause they all still have successs. they're all still releasing and doing things for their fans.

[ultraviolento]

Originally posted by Chimier

She's such a nobody she has her own Brazilian site: http://janetbr.com/
Didn't she cancel one of her Brazilian shows in 2011 cos it was gonna conflict with filming and that upset her Brazilian fans who had been waiting DECADES to see her live? Oh yes...I remember that.

LOL try harder.



The world also includes the continent of Africa, where she's not that well-known.

Some of the pioneers of Western popular music haven't been inducted into the "glorious R&R HOF", so you're really not saying as much as you think you are. But hey! If at first you don't succeed....

Kid, I'm brazilian. Don't have the nerve to tell me what's popular here and what's not, because I live here and you don't. Stay posting your african receipts, THAT is your thing.

Janet Jackson isn't popular here and a fanmade brazilian website made by an ATRLer doesn't change that. Cancelled tour dates doesn't help either (even tho your "filming" excuse was kinda cute)

However, your R&R HOF excuse is not the tea. Just because they've omitted some impactful acts like Kate Bush doesn't mean they don't have credibility when it comes to acknowledge in music. They sure do, even more so than a random ATRL typing from Africa that's for sure.

[Chimier]

Originally posted by ultraviolento

Kid, I'm brazilian. Don't have the nerve to tell me what's popular here and what's not, because I live here and you don't. Stay posting your african receipts, THAT is your thing.

I have the nerve, the intelligence AND the resources to do so. You being Brazilian doesn't change that in the slightest.

Originally posted by ultraviolento

Janet Jackson isn't popular here and a fanmade brazilian website made by an ATRLer doesn't change that. Cancelled tour dates doesn't help either (even tho your "filming" excuse was kinda cute)

#1- An entire BRAZILIAN site dedicated to a person you claim isn't known in your country proves you...WRONG.
#2- If it was made by an ATRLer, that means said ATRLer is Brazilian, which proves you....WRONG.
#3- The fact that Janet canceled a concert in said country of Brazil proves you...WRONG. You laughing at the "filming excuse" doesn't change that. Nobody would book a show in a country where no one knows who they are. That's why Madonna has never even BOOKED a show in any country in Africa.
#4- You have no receipts to refute any of my claims regarding Madonna's popularity in Africa, hence why you can never prove me...WRONG, but can only retort with ignorance and racist statements.
#5- I NEVER said Janet was popular in Brazil. I was refuting your statement that she was a NOBODY there.

Originally posted by ultraviolento

However, your R&R HOF excuse is not the tea. Just because they've omitted some impactful acts like Kate Bush doesn't mean they don't have credibility when it comes to acknowledge in music. They sure do, even more so than a random ATRL typing from Africa that's for sure.

It's not tea. It's water. It's life-giving. It's invigorating. It's FACT.
I wasn't talking about Kate Bush. I was talking far more significant. I said PIONEERS of Western popular music. I'll leave you to think about who I'm talking about.

And LOL. No they do not. This is why so many musicians have laughed at and derided the R&R HOF. Don't equate the name of the hall with the people in charge having credibility or knowledge. They don't.

[The Second Coming]

Originally posted by IMPACTNET.

And none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand, nor does it suggest she outlasted any of her peers. 10 pages in and you all STILL don't understand what outlast means. A simple Google search would fix this, but then again this IS Atrl after all.

Like none of the Madonna presence on Africa nonsense you and the other two individuals have been discussing have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

[Chimier]

Originally posted by The Second Coming

Like none of the Madonna presence on Africa nonsense you and the other two individuals have been discussing have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

It has everything to do with this topic. Are you not basing this upon maintenance of WORLDWIDE success? Is Africa not in the world? There we go.