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Discussion: BB: Bey is the Greatest Performer of the past 25 years
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Originally posted by AxelFox
The Hive does the most indeed sometimes, but this time it's clearly not the case.
She's way more charismatic, way more confident and her overall stage presence outhisnes Michael's. He is just not as entertaining to watch.
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Way to prove my point
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Originally posted by Trent W
I can see this becoming true at some point, when I saw her live a few weeks ago she slayed me so hard that I thought she was slapping for all the shade I threw at her in the past  |
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Originally posted by KingKunta
Have you not bothered to look at any of his performances above? Have you not bothered to look at any of his live tours that he sung 100% live and did more complex dancing than Beyonce could ever dream of? You ever figured that because of the heavy dancing he was doing, again way more than Beyonce, sometimes he literally had to lipsync?
The way ya'll act like she sings live 100% of the time is asinine.
The way atrl tries to act like he lipped ever single performance he ever gave so that they could possibly say their fave was a better performer is really something new.
I think I need to disassociate myself from the beyhive for a minute beause ya'll do the absolute most.
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you having a meltdown over my opinion ? I never said he lipped all the time and neither does Beyonce. But when he did do it people took note (Prince) similar to Bey and regardless it had nothing to do with cementing their legacies as entertainers
Michael Jackson in 1996 < Beyonce in 2016 
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Originally posted by jodyygang
you having a meltdown over my opinion ? I never said he lipped all the time and neither does Beyonce. But when he did do it people took note (Prince) similar to Bey and regardless it had nothing to do with cementing their legacies as entertainers
Michael Jackson in 1996 < Beyonce in 2016 |
Pointing out your bias, lack of knowledge on the subject, and naivety is a meltdown? Chile I guess
Second of all you going to compare Michael in 1996, when his breathing and drug problems already started, to Beyonce in her damn near prime with no physical set backs?
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Wouldn't it be more logical to I don't know compare them when they were both in their primes?
This is what I mean when I say ya'll Beyonce stans do the absolute most.
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Originally posted by AxelFox
The Hive does the most indeed sometimes, but this time it's clearly not the case.
She's way more charismatic, way more confident and her overall stage presence outhisnes Michael's. He is just not as entertaining to watch.
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MJ is probably the most overrated artist/performer of all time tbh
i'll gladly take Beyonce over him
i'd take his sister Janet and his rival Prince over him any day as artists & performers
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the problem is...we are conditioned to think that people who came out before another person are automatically "better" for no other reason than them having the seniority. so b/c they came out before...that somehow makes their skill untouchable.
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Ok. Prince>>>MJ. But those who want to think he's the best are welcome to it. IDK why they feel like everyone else has to feel the same. Different strokes for different folks. IDK why that one poster is going through the motions. Please, by all, distance yourself nephew. 
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Originally posted by KingKunta
Pointing out your bias, lack of knowledge on the subject, and naivety is a meltdown? Chile I guess
Second of all you going to compare Michael in 1996, when his breathing and drug problems already started, to Beyonce in her damn near prime with no physical set backs?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pg-1lF-V_KM/hqdefault.jpg
Wouldn't it be more logical to I don't know compare them when they were both in their primes?
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are you really an MJ fan girl ? His HIStory World Tour was his best selling tour from 1996-1997.
You know the tour he earned 165 mill ? His prime vs. Formation tour in 2016 . Beyonce> . Thats my opinion and you'll have to deal or take your frusturations elsewhere bby
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Originally posted by jodyygang
are you really an MJ fan girl ? His HIStory World Tour was his best selling tour from 1996-1997.
You know the tour he earned 165 mill ? His prime vs. Formation tour in 2016 . Beyonce> . Thats my opinion and you'll have to deal or take your frusturations elsewhere bby
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Highest grossing tour = Prime as a performer?
Chile your damn right that's your opinion cuz it sure as hell ain't a fact or a popular one opnion at that.
Ya'll's logic is just 
Just apperciate the ass kissing articles and leave MJ and other legends like Prince and James Brown out of it. At least the writer of the article was smart enough to.
Have a nice day sweetie
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Someone is Super Mad. 
Bey>>>>the rest. 
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Originally posted by 6_INCH_HEELS
Ok. Prince>>>MJ. But those who want to think he's the best are welcome to it. IDK why they feel like everyone else has to feel the same. Different strokes for different folks. IDK why that one poster is going through the motions. Please, by all, distance yourself nephew. |
I mean, really. Running in here spamming artists that debuted in the 50s-70s/80s doesn't negate the point of the article/thread like, at all and going back and forth with stans over their opinions about their own faves accomplishes what?  Doing exactly what you claim the Hive are so insufferable for on behalf of another artist does not make your brand of stanning superior on any level, but do you tho.
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Originally posted by giRLbye.
the problem is...we are conditioned to think that people who came out before another person are automatically "better" for no other reason than them having the seniority. so b/c they came out before...that somehow makes their skill untouchable.
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This notion doesn't come from seniority, but from superiority. The artists of yesteryear didn't have the smoke and mirrors the acts of today have. There was no way to mask flaws. Any flaws they did have, had to be somehow cultivated rather than compromised or complemented. They had no choice but to be good because of what was afforded to them. So what you got from them was raw talent cultivated into untouchable celestial greatness.
So, yes, their skills are untouchable. Nobody today can compete with MJ or Janet in a dance battle. No one today has a gift of voice as great as Whitney or Mariah's. No one today has the eye for the how to visually represent a song like Madonna. Don't get mad at them and their stans, Just tell your faves to step their game up and maybe then they'll be celebrated in that light.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
This notion doesn't come from seniority, but from superiority. The artists of yesteryear didn't have the smoke and mirrors the acts of today have. There was no way to mask flaws. Any flaws they did have, had to be somehow cultivated rather than compromised or complemented. They had no choice but to be good because of what was afforded to them. So what you got from them was raw talent cultivated into untouchable celestial greatness.
So, yes, their skills are untouchable. Nobody today can compete with MJ or Janet in a dance battle. No one today has a gift of voice as great as Whitney or Mariah's. No one today has the eye for the how to visually represent a song like Madonna. Don't get mad at them and their stans, Just tell your faves to step their game up and maybe then they'll be celebrated in that light.
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She is.
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Originally posted by JonginBey
She is.
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Of her generation. Not "of all time". Need a receipt? See the OP. 
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
This notion doesn't come from seniority, but from superiority. The artists of yesteryear didn't have the smoke and mirrors the acts of today have. There was no way to mask flaws. Any flaws they did have, had to be somehow cultivated rather than compromised or complemented. They had no choice but to be good because of what was afforded to them. So what you got from them was raw talent cultivated into untouchable celestial greatness.
So, yes, their skills are untouchable. Nobody today can compete with MJ or Janet in a dance battle. No one today has a gift of voice as great as Whitney or Mariah's. No one today has the eye for the how to visually represent a song like Madonna. Don't get mad at them and their stans, Just tell your faves to step their game up and maybe then they'll be celebrated in that light.
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I see it as the opposite kind of. I feel like artists now don't have the liberty to do things artists back then did. Like now, if Beyoncé incorporates another persons idea in her tour suddenly everyone knows everyone's calling her a thief there's footage everywhere. I mean people can go back decades and say this person did that first, literally everything is under a microscope and scrutinized. Imagine back then if we could get Madonna or Janet's live mic feed how much would they be getting praised? Or if there were SJW's back then when Madonna copied the whole underground vogue scene. Again, I love MJ but he also was known for copying ideas but back then who had the technology & footage to prove it. I feel Beyonce is so conscious of this which is why she's such a perfectionist.
Think about it, what entertainers do we have know ? Every performance by artists are scrutinized by people on websites like ATRL so there's little to no room for mistake.
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Originally posted by jodyygang
I see it as the opposite kind of. I feel like artists now don't have the liberty to do things artists back then did.
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What? Some careers were completely sabotaged because the artists broke the taboo and open the door for current generations and here you say artists back then have liberty to do things that they wanted? Even Madonna nearly ended herself in the music industry because she openly slapped the sexual orientation to the GP
And the rest of your post, I won't reply because you don't really know what you are saying.
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Originally posted by jodyygang
I see it as the opposite kind of. I feel like artists now don't have the liberty to do things artists back then did. Like now, if Beyoncé incorporates another persons idea in her tour suddenly everyone knows everyone's calling her a thief there's footage everywhere. I mean people can go back decades and say this person did that first, literally everything is under a microscope and scrutinized. Imagine back then if we could get Madonna or Janet's live mic feed how much would they be getting praised? Or if there were SJW's back then when Madonna copied the whole underground vogue scene. Again, I love MJ but he also was known for copying ideas but back then who had the technology & footage to prove it. I feel Beyonce is so conscious of this which is why she's such a perfectionist.
Think about it, what entertainers do we have know ? Every performance by artists are scrutinized by people on websites like ATRL so there's little to no room for mistake. |
Huh? Technology has made the careers of people like Selena Gomez, Rihanna, and Justin Bieber possible. Back in the 60s - 90s, there was no hiding behind auto tune. There was no hiding behind smoke and mirrors and having 800 people on stage to mask the artist's lack of stage presence and performance talent. What you got from those artists was talented that had been cultivated and perfected. The only mediums that were afforded to them were those that showcased their talents (radio, videos, live performances without special mics with built in auto tune, etc). Nowadays, you can be famous for being popular on YT and getting a record deal (William Hung, Rebecca Black, etc). The reason the artists of yesteryear get passes for their artistry is because they were very vocal about what artists inspired them. Today? Not so much.
And think about entertainers now? There's only a handful with actual performance talent. Honestly, it's less than 10. They're scrutinized because they can't sing, can't dance, can't even put on a decent show. Look at the Hot 100 now. These are all great songs, but who are you paying money to see live? Look at the Hot 100 20-25 years ago, you'd probably pay to see 8 out of the 10 in the top 10. Now? Chile plz. I wouldn't even watch them on YT.
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Preach. There's a reason she's so respected and revered by her peers.
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She's that once in a lifetime hybrid artist. A vocalist/entertainer. The best of her generation. There will NEVER be another one like her. It's high time you haters accept it.
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Originally posted by Mr. Wonder
Of her generation. Not "of all time". Need a receipt? See the OP. |
But she's better at singing than Michael and Janet, better at dancing than Whitney, and better at both than Madonna kii.
She does what they all do, while they don't have the strengths of the others. Objectively, she's all of it in one package. I don't know how that's so hard to understand.
She'll give this:
this
and this
In the span of a few minutes. These are all from the same show.
The diversity is her strength. But then also the level of her execution is pretty high on all fronts.
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