[GaGaFan]

Originally posted by Ramcoro

No, but your whole point was just towards rich people.

The post was in response to that other user who said that the UK and Canada had better QUALITY than the United States. That is not true. The US has always been on the cutting edge of technology health-wise.

Quality =/= quantity.

[hausofbryan]

So glad the Supreme Court defied ignorance and misinformation to rule correctly.

[hausofbryan]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

The post was in response to that other user who said that the UK and Canada had better QUALITY than the United States. That is not true. The US has always been on the cutting edge of technology health-wise.

Quality =/= quantity.

The high-tech industry has no relation to the health insurance industry.

Two completely different fields.

[BeYonceTX]

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

Kinda. I will rephrase them.

1) Small Businesses would be hurt, and growth would be stunted.

2) The bill is not sustainable due to insufficient provisions regarding expansion of the system. Not to mention it's ridiculously hypocritical because both Pelosi and Reid got exemptions from certain provisions of the law for their districts that make no sense whatsoever.

3) The president lied when he said you could keep your current plan if you like it.

4) The inefficiencies of the system will lead to a negative impact on patient care.

For those of you who wonder what this is about, you can read my whole post.

http://atrl.net/forums/blog.php?b=10028

3)

1) You keep using the term "small business", but how are they still small businesses when they employment more than 50 people?

2) That's how constituencies work. The federal system was designed to change things for their constituents. That happens ALL THE TIME, with every law/bill. If you don't like that system, you could argue for the appeal of every federal law.

3) /4) receipts

[GaGaFan]

Originally posted by hausofbryan

The high-tech industry has no relation to the health insurance industry.

Two completely different fields.

My jaw literally dropped when I read this. You have got to be kidding me right now...

I'm gonna stop trying to explain the healthcare field to people who have very little knowledge as to how it works. Have you ever been in surgery? I mean, come on, technology is the reason why we have more precise incisions, less prolonged recovery time, and more efficient hospitals. MRI machines, CAT scans, X rays...the list goes on and on.

I mean come on.

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

The post was in response to that other user who said that the UK and Canada had better QUALITY than the United States. That is not true. The US has always been on the cutting edge of technology health-wise.

Quality =/= quantity.

So? In order to talk quality you have to consider the amount of people not getting it.

It's like there are two lines to a roller coaster. One is the US, the other is Canada. They both have 100 people, but the US takes 20 people out. Sure the 80 left get on the ride faster, but is it overall more fair?

[GaGaFan]

Originally posted by Ramcoro

1) You keep using the term "small business", but how are they still small businesses when they employment more than 50 people?

2) That's how constituencies work. The federal system was designed to change things for their constituents. That happens ALL THE TIME, with every law/bill. If you don't like that system, you could argue for the appeal of every federal law.

3) /4) receipts

1) Um, a small business is a small business is a small business. The fact remians that they aren't a corporation and honestly, 50 employees isn't that many.

2) Hahahahaha, um, when you have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid fighting tooth-and-nail to get it passed just so they can repeal the stupid parts to protect their Congressional seats and so the rest of America can just "deal with it"...that's not fair.

3) look at my Works Cited.

[GaGaFan]

Originally posted by Ramcoro

So? In order to talk quality you have to consider the amount of people not getting it.

It's like there are two lines to a roller coaster. One is the US, the other is Canada. They both have 100 people, but the US takes 20 people out. Sure the 80 left get on the ride faster, but is it overall more fair?

Yeah, but what happens when the Canadian line is still there for weeks and months as the amusement park closes every night and they get more tired/sick every day?

But that's Universal Health Care and this bill is about Universal Health Insurance, so the comparison isn't applicable.

[Reza]

Yes! The mandate was upheld! people will resist at first but I know they will appreciate it over time!

[Artemisia]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...means-for-you/

Go there, fill it out, and you can see how it effects you and your family.

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

1) Um, a small business is a small business is a small business. The fact remians that they aren't a corporation and honestly, 50 employees isn't that many.

2) Hahahahaha, um, when you have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid fighting tooth-and-nail to get it passed just so they can repeal the stupid parts to protect their Congressional seats and so the rest of America can just "deal with it"...that's not fair.

3) look at my Works Cited.

1) So if a business doesn't file into a corporation It's a small business? That's not how it works at all. 50 people is actually a lot. I used to work for McDonald's, there were only 20 some people there, and they made a lot of money.

2) sure it is fair, every congressman has the power to do that for their constituents. That's how the system works, and it works like that all the time.

3) Please quote your articles with specific examples.

[GaGaFan]

Originally posted by Ramcoro

1) So if a business doesn't file into a corporation It's a small business? That's not how it works at all. 50 people is actually a lot. I used to work for McDonald's, there were only 20 some people there, and they made a lot of money.

2) sure it is fair, every congressman has the power to do that for their constituents. That's how the system works, and it works like that all the time.

3) Please quote your articles with specific examples.

1) You don't understand what I'm referring to, but we can agree to disagree on this point.

2) You don't see how that's not fair? Let's put it this way. I say that as the mayor of my town that everyone must buy a really expensive computer to make society better. But then I go back to my neighborhood and say, "JK! Lol" and they don't have to spend their money on it. How is that not unfair?

3) like, I cited them in my paper and used MLA format. Can you interpret that?

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

Yeah, but what happens when the Canadian line is still there for weeks and months as the amusement park closes every night and they get more tired/sick every day?

But that's Universal Health Care and this bill is about Universal Health Insurance, so the comparison isn't applicable.

True, Universal Health Care and Universal Health Insurance is different, but I'm not the one that first brought up Canada.

I would still argue in favor of Universal Health Care.

Anyways, to actually address your points, are you admitting that the reason why America gets people through a little quicker is because there are so many people off the system? If so, are saying the millions of uninsured and millions more of underinsured Americans are a necassary sacrifice and not a problem? Because I thought you said they were a problem that needed to be address.

The concept is the all the same. If you give more people access to healthcare, the natural result is slightly longer waits. No matter how it is done.

All this "Canadians have longer waits" is so exploited. Canadians, on average, are much healthier and live lover. I don't see any negative results from the waits.

[Artemisia]

I'm from canada and you don't wait that long ****ing SHEESH.

30 minutes to an hour in clinics, and the ER uses a triage system like every other ER on the planet.

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by GaGaFan

1) You don't understand what I'm referring to, but we can agree to disagree on this point.

2) You don't see how that's not fair? Let's put it this way. I say that as the mayor of my town that everyone must buy a really expensive computer to make society better. But then I go back to my neighborhood and say, "JK! Lol" and they don't have to spend their money on it. How is that not unfair?

3) like, I cited them in my paper and used MLA format. Can you interpret that?

1) Fine whatever

2) You are exaggerating what Nancy Poliski did.

3) you didn't provide direct URLs. I tried googling your first citation. I got this
http://www.canadiansocialresearch.net/us.htm

Not sure if actually the source you used, and i don't want to start digging through it, until I know for sure.

[Ramcoro]

Originally posted by Artemisia

I'm from canada and you don't wait that long ****ing SHEESH.

30 minutes to an hour in clinics, and the ER uses a triage system like every other ER on the planet.

!!!!

Canadians' wait time is exaggerated!

[MarryTheDark]

Absolutely ecstatic that this was upheld. This is the progress we need.

[hausofbryan]

Originally posted by Reza

Yes! The mandate was upheld! people will resist at first but I know they will appreciate it over time!

The only practical way to bring down costs.

[NaughtyDog]

Originally posted by hausofbryan

The high-tech industry has no relation to the health insurance industry.

Two completely different fields.

some of the post here