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Discussion: Is the BTW era losing momentum?
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
By her herself... or the label?
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Both.
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"Judas" definitely killed the Born This Way's momentum going into its release, but "The Edge of Glory" still became a hit, so I don't think the single choices have been the biggest problem. Ultimately, the 99 cent deal was probably the major mistake of this era. Sure, it gave Gaga her million-plus debut, but it also majorly front-loaded sales and hurt her chances of longevity. When everyone interested in the album—hardcore stans and casual fans alike—buys it the first week, then there aren't potential consumers to sustain it afterward. Obviously, people are still buying Born This Way, but not in large enough numbers each week to keep it on the cultural radar. Its buzz peaked back with its release and people haven't really been thinking about it since.
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hahaha no lol its not ..AT ALL !
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Loud isn't a dance album. The only two dancepop songs on the entire album were released as singles. The rest are R&B/pop/whichever of the two you consider them.
However, Loud was very calculated, there's no disputing that. It wouldn't work for GaGa though. To go from this era to a calculate one would be too blatant & she'd become less successful. It would backfire. Once they gave her creative control, they should know they can't go back.
I don't think Rihanna was against Loud though - no doubt she was truly happier while recording it. I'm sure it's an idea her label brought up & she agreed.
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Of course not, have you seen her tweets? They make her appear chart-obsessed. She's not the kind of artist who will put her experiences down into a song and hopefully it becomes a hit. I'm sure she was more than happy to record a hit-filled album custom-made for her. This is why I have respect Adele even if her music isn't exactly my style.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Both.
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I think the label encourages her crazy ideas.
But I mean if her label were to suddenly start making her record more radio-friendly songs like LoveGame & Starstruck again... it would look very blatant in the other direction. If she goes in that direction again it will have to gradually done... which could happen. She seems long gone from the days of those types of songs though. She writes all her own music, which she needs to keep doing because she gets tons of deserved respect for it.
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Originally posted by Nicole
Of course not, have you seen her tweets? They make her appear chart-obsessed. She's not the kind of artist who will put her experiences down into a song and hopefully it becomes a hit. I'm sure she was more than happy to record a hit-filled album custom-made for her. This is why I have respect Adele even if her music isn't exactly my style.
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I saw your tiny edit.
You're probably right, & not being involved in writing her songs is a major negative. Even if she just wants the hits (I hope that's not her only goal in mind), she should write some of them.
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I don't know why people are so quick to call this era or you and I flops. You andi made #6 on bb hot 100, still is in top ten on iTunes, and I hear it on the radio almost everyday twice a day. Just because a single isn't like " OMG #1 for a million weeks, played every five minutes on radio and on the hot 100 chart for ten years!!!!" doesn't mean it wasn't successful. I would consider you and i a moderate hit, btw and teog were bigger. She should follow up with Mtn and hair.
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Originally posted by Ripedie254
I don't know why people are so quick to call this era or you and I flops. You andi made #6 on bb hot 100, still is in top ten on iTunes, and I hear it on the radio almost everyday twice a day. Just because a single isn't like " OMG #1 for a million weeks, played every five minutes on radio and on the hot 100 chart for ten years!!!!" doesn't mean it wasn't successful. I would consider you and i a moderate hit, btw and teog were bigger. She should follow up with Mtn and hair.
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I loved this song when I first heard it... I hate it now.
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Originally posted by Я×R
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This shows us Gaga's problem. She looks awful in all those pictures. Promo hurt her.
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Hmm.. I don't know though.
BTW=number 1 hit, Judas=underperformed, EOG=hit, Y&I=hit but is peaking on radio already
Her songs did okay this era imo.
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She's doing fine, not phenomenal and as hyped as it was supposed to be. One underperformed single, one smash, and the other did fine. Now let's see if she can turn it around with a performance of MTN on New Year's Eve broadcasted everywhere
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Originally posted by Chris191
She's doing fine, not phenomenal and as hyped as it was supposed to be. One underperformed single, one smash, and the other did fine. Now let's see if she can turn it around with a performance of MTN on New Year's Eve broadcasted everywhere
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she needs to take advantage of the rockin new years eve special she's performing on and perform the hell out of MTN! then maybe we're talking!
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I do believe Gaga messed up by releasing You and I at this time. Yes, it cracked the top 10 and yes the video was good...but I think it would have better for her to spice this dying era up. Judas flopped, followed by a flop video to one of her best singles, and then she released a boring single she's been performing for two years. Her refusing to work with professional directors is not helping her cause either. I feel like the era has been so far. Born This Way was most exciting because it was the lead. Even Judas was exciting, but it was short lived.
The thing about Gaga is that is not even about #1s. Before BTW, Gaga only had two #1s. Her singles aren't really #1 promised anyhow. Despite that, you could still feel the impact she was making - regardless of the chart position. She was still exciting. Now not so much. I really hope she manages to make this era more exciting. The VMA performance kicked ass and got people talking. She may be on the right track, but we'll see. Bottom line is the girl needs help from someone other than Gibson, whether Stefani wants to admit it or not
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Theres atleast 4-6 songs left on BTW that if released I believe will be hugely successful. This era is doing great and so is all the singles. A song shouldn't have to be #1 to validate how great it is. You all should know this by now. Shes gonna continue to release great songs and if the public doesnt like it as much as the basic pop bitches singles then thats fine.
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What is with all of the GaGa stans thinking MTN and Schiesse will be huge smashes? Nothing is special about MTN, and Schiesse isn't single-friendly at all. True, MTN would be the safest choice & probably a moderate hit, but you all hype it to be the second coming of Jesus.
That being said, Hair could be a hit too, but it's a little desperate releasing another promo single as a single, and I can see people saying it was only a single because it had hit #12 as a promo.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
"Judas" got old fast. I played that song a bunch when it leaked, and after a while, it just sounded loud and obnoxious to me. I played several songs a lot when they leak and got tired of them, but "Judas" was one of those songs that got played out extremely quickly. Most of BTW is off-putting to me. It's not a bad album, but it's not one of those albums that have many standouts or songs that will age well.
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I feel the exact same way. I really don't care for the album, save for a couple of songs. I listened to it a lot when it leaked, then as soon as another album from another fave of mine leaked, I got over BTW and never looked back.
I think the momentum for this album died long ago. Yes, it's doing well commercially now, but I really don't think this album will have any longevity. There's nothing about it that stands out like TF and TFM did, and as practically everyone else has pointed out, the promo for this album has been handled horribly to say the least. The only aspect of this era that will be guaranteed to smash is the tour. It's safe to say that even those who aren't feeling the album will make the effort to see her live. I might, but I just hope that she doesn't make this tour extraordinarily long like The Monster Ball. Her performances really start to suck when she tours for too long.
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Yes she has lost momentum...
No, Marry The Night won't bring it back
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Originally posted by Wonda
Didn't people think that would happen with You & I, and gurl Marry the Night is not the smash single all her fans think it's going to be. Gaga has no certified smashes left on BTW.
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Okay.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Just wait. Good luck on RiRi's new album!!! Can't wait to hear the single.
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I don't really care. The music is still good and people will still buy the tour tickets like nothing else.
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Originally posted by supaspaz
"Judas" definitely killed the Born This Way's momentum going into its release, but "The Edge of Glory" still became a hit, so I don't think the single choices have been the biggest problem. Ultimately, the 99 cent deal was probably the major mistake of this era. Sure, it gave Gaga her million-plus debut, but it also majorly front-loaded sales and hurt her chances of longevity. When everyone interested in the album—hardcore stans and casual fans alike—buys it the first week, then there aren't potential consumers to sustain it afterward. Obviously, people are still buying Born This Way, but not in large enough numbers each week to keep it on the cultural radar. Its buzz peaked back with its release and people haven't really been thinking about it since.
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Now this some true tea.
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