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Chart Listings: Taylor Swift STORMS onto Country Songs chart with 3 songs
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Originally posted by Mezik
But how is it fair to Miranda, that because she doesn't have pop friendly songs that she should be payed dust? Her strong point is country airplay, and now they're telling her that she should release more to pop and HAC to be more successful on country? That's not right.
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For me digital songs reflects if a song is succesful too
you said that experts' opinion is better than people's opinion but how many times do you see a good song having decent sales but they're not playing it on radio? MANY times, even in country radio. And country radio sometimes they just play a song because who released it, even if it's bad song (I'm not talking about just miranda, I'm talking about everyone)
And that isn't fair
With a Hot country formula = Country digital songs + Country airplay
It will be better, you have the opinion of the people + the country radio
If miranda is succesfull in country radio she could easily enter in the top 10, even without selling songs, and that would be perfect
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Originally posted by Carriefan
If Rihanna or any other popstar would release her song to country and classify it as country it will obviously go #1. Huge pop airplay and digital sales, you know.
And country artists in general are not known for their digital sales.
Anyway, this is nothing against Taylor. I love her & her music. It's about the chart in general. And I wouldn't even have a big problem with it if it was only country airplay. But including pop airplay for a country chart is just wrong, imo.
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This is what I mean
That formula would work well
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Originally posted by taylor__fan
For me digital songs reflects if a song is succesful too
you said that experts' opinion is better than people's opinion but how many times do you see a good song having decent sales but they're not playing it on radio? MANY times, even in country radio. And country radio sometimes they just play a song because who released it, even if it's bad song (I'm not talking about just miranda, I'm talking about everyone)
And that isn't fair
With a Hot country formula = Country digital songs + Country airplay
It will be better, you have the opinion of the people + the country radio
If miranda is succesfull in country radio she could easily enter in the top 10, even without selling songs, and that would be perfect
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But she'll never get anymore number one hits, or she'll have to sell out and release a pop song to attain a number one.
Aside from Carrie, Taylor, Luke & Jason - no other country stars sell that well digitally. Sure Brad will have the odd 1M seller, and Lady A's lead singles will go number one, but someone like Miranda, Blake, Lee Brice or Jake won't be able to get that number one single anymore. Sure the public might be requesting the songs like crazy, but it wouldn't even matter.
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Originally posted by Mezik
Some artists can't sell songs? Miranda is an artist who has country songs that are real country, so obviously the average teenager won't be interested in it.
Maybe if she releases a pop song people will be more interested in her.  |
UHm Safe and Sound went platinum and it's not a teeny bop song. It was not sent to radios yet it sold that much. That means it was popular at some point but did it chart on country? Nope. At least popular nonradio singles can chart now.
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Originally posted by castle13
UHm Safe and Sound went platinum and it's not a teeny bop song. It was not sent to radios yet it sold that much. That means it was popular at some point but did it chart on country? Nope. At least popular nonradio singles can chart now.
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No, but it was Taylor Swift had promotion from one of the biggest movies of the year. If any other artist just released it as a single, without Hunger Games it can probably still get airplay but it would never sell.
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Congrats to Taylor! How many number ones does she have now?
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Originally posted by Mezik
But how is it fair to Miranda, that because she doesn't have pop friendly songs that she should be payed dust? Her strong point is country airplay, and now they're telling her that she should release more to pop and HAC to be more successful on country? That's not right.
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Just because she releases country songs doesn't mean she should always find success on the country charts.  . One needs to please the audience and clearly not many are pleased. You could see the flaw of an all-airplay chart by just looking at the sales of some of the songs that went #1. It didn't really determine the popularity of the song over-all.
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Originally posted by teddies
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Billboard has delivered the world’s most trusted and most widely quoted country music charts for nearly seven decades, and the exhaustive work we’ve done during the past couple of years to revolutionize our country singles charts is realized today as we launch the most comprehensive, immediate and accurate country singles rankings since our first one rolled off the presses during World War II. From those first few country chart weeks in 1944—with dueling versions of “Pistol Packin’ Mama” by Al Dexter & His Troopers and Bing Crosby & the Andrews Sisters—to the phenomenal consumer penetration that lifts Taylor Swift’s “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” to No. 1 on the revised Hot Country Songs rankings today, Billboard again pioneers a new era in country music chart-keeping.
“The way people consume music continues to evolve, and as a result so do our charts, which now track the many new ways fans experience, listen to and buy music,” Billboard director of charts Silvio Pietroluongo says. “We’re proud to be offering updated country charts that better reflect the current music landscape.”
Previously ranked solely by Nielsen BDS-provided radio airplay data since 1990, Hot Country Songs gets a major consumer-influenced face-lift, as digital download sales (tracked by Nielsen SoundScan) and streaming data (tracked by Nielsen BDS from such services as Spotify, Muve, Slacker, Rhapsody, Rdio and Xbox Music) will now be factored into the 50-position rankings, along with existing radio airplay data monitored by Nielsen BDS. This will enable these charts to match the methodology applied to Billboard’s signature all-genre songs ranking, the Billboard Hot 100 and will reward crossover titles receiving airplay on multiple formats.
With download sales and streaming data measuring popularity on the most inclusive scale possible, it makes sense that the radio portion of the new chart calculations includes airplay from the entire spectrum of monitored formats. The immediate beneficiary of this week’s methodology change is Swift, who rules the top two slots on Hot Country Songs with the aforementioned “We Are Never” and the title track from her new Red album, due Oct. 22. The pop crossover No. 1 title ranks at No. 36 on the Country Airplay tally (but gets points associated with its pop crossover play) and No. 2 on Country Digital Songs, while “Red” is absent from the Country Airplay list, but ranks at No. 1 on Country Digital Songs.
The new chart picks up the entire 68-year country singles chart history, while the Country Airplay chart history encompasses the Nielsen BDS era, which began with the chart dated Jan. 20, 1990. While the new Hot Country Songs chart becomes the centerpiece country songs list in the Billboard print product, the Country Airplay chart remains the anchor chart for the Monday edition of Billboard Country Update. Serviced Thursday mornings, the new midweek BCU includes the freshest Country Digital Songs and Top Country Albums lists.
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Originally posted by castle13
Just because she releases country songs doesn't mean she should always find success on the country charts. . One needs to please the audience and clearly not many are pleased. You could see the flaw of an all-airplay chart by just looking at the sales of some of the songs that went #1. It didn't really determine the popularity of the song over-all. |
Right.. that's why all the reviews of Miranda's songs have always been golden and people have been saying that she's the one holding the genre together.
Her songs are popular in country, she's popular in country, just because she doesn't sell doesn't mean people don't like her. 
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Originally posted by Mezik
No, but it was Taylor Swift had promotion from one of the biggest movies of the year. If any other artist just released it as a single, without Hunger Games it can probably still get airplay but it would never sell.
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The point is it was popular.. Charts are for popularity anyway. 
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Originally posted by JakeKills
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Terrible, terrible, rule changes.
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Originally posted by Mezik
Right.. that's why all the reviews of Miranda's songs have always been golden and people have been saying that she's the one holding the genre together.
Her songs are popular in country, she's popular in country, just because she doesn't sell doesn't mean people don't like her. |
If you want to talk about the quality and how good the song is let's talk about grammys and CMAs. CMA has always recognized her so.
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Originally posted by Mezik
But she'll never get anymore number one hits, or she'll have to sell out and release a pop song to attain a number one.
Aside from Carrie, Taylor, Luke & Jason - no other country stars sell that well digitally. Sure Brad will have the odd 1M seller, and Lady A's lead singles will go number one, but someone like Miranda, Blake, Lee Brice or Jake won't be able to get that number one single anymore. Sure the public might be requesting the songs like crazy, but it wouldn't even matter.
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Releasing your songs to Pop is NOT selling out.
Is Shania a sell-out to you?
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Originally posted by Mezik
Right.. that's why all the reviews of Miranda's songs have always been golden and people have been saying that she's the one holding the genre together.
Her songs are popular in country, she's popular in country, just because she doesn't sell doesn't mean people don't like her. |
It means that the people don't interest in her
I know she is country, and her songs are good, But i'm not interested in her
If some country artist can sell songs releasing full country songs and she can't
then she doesn't derserve to be #1 on HOT COUNTRY SONGS
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I laugh so hard that Never storm to #1
Did billboard change the rule BECAUSE Taylor has her first flop single?
Too much, i'm done with this chart. Now mediabase is more credible
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Originally posted by Bahjat
Releasing your songs to Pop is NOT selling out.
Is Shania a sell-out to you?
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But in order for Miranda to get a #1 now, she'd have to release a pop song.
Releasing a song to be successful = sell out.
Shania and Taylor aren't because they've always had catered to both pop and country fans, Miranda however has only catered to her country, and they're basically saying she needs to change her music style to be successful.
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Originally posted by taylor__fan
For me digital songs reflects if a song is succesful too
you said that experts' opinion is better than people's opinion but how many times do you see a good song having decent sales but they're not playing it on radio? MANY times, even in country radio. And country radio sometimes they just play a song because who released it, even if it's bad song (I'm not talking about just miranda, I'm talking about everyone)
And that isn't fair
With a Hot country formula = Country digital songs + Country airplay
It will be better, you have the opinion of the people + the country radio
If miranda is succesfull in country radio she could easily enter in the top 10, even without selling songs, and that would be perfect
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Lemme say this, for example, Never got that much digital downloads because it's released on pop. SO of course more people would buy it. And this chart is Hot COUNTRY songs, a song top the country chart because it got pop release. Is it fair? not at all
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Originally posted by Sept
Lemme say this, for example, Never got that much digital downloads because it's released on pop. SO of course more people would buy it. And this chart is Hot COUNTRY songs, a song top the country chart because it got pop release. Is it fair? not at all
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and is it fair that a song that it's only released to country and is selling way more copies than another is #2 instead of #1 because the people on the radio prefer it, or basically they're playing it more because your name is miranda?
Both things should be included
we're talking about HOT COUNTRY SONGS
and sales, airplay & streaming reflects what songs are hot
If you want the country radio chart you'll still have the country airplay now
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Originally posted by Sept
Lemme say this, for example, Never got that much digital downloads because it's released on pop. SO of course more people would buy it. And this chart is Hot COUNTRY songs, a song top the country chart because it got pop release. Is it fair? not at all
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And it's fair to consider a song number 1 just because country radios play it a lot without even taking into account how many people actually liked it and bought it?
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