But that's just my point from a few pages ago. When you credit the artist, the team behind the artist is implied in the credit being given. It's like an artist gets praised for an album. Sure they wrote and produced it, but there are other ppl who helped in the process. Similarly, Madonna does her visuals, and she has a team who helps her with them as well.
When you compare visuals with singing and dancing, they leveled. When you go flat, that's on the singer right. When costumes aren't align with the message of the song, that's on the artist. There are other factors that can make an artist go flat. Just like how Beyonce needs her fans because it keeps her cool, which prevents her body from overheating and effecting her voice. The visuals have to be operating in accordance with everything else to be effective.
Do you mind me asking if u went to college for music? U seem very educated in this field.
Yes, & the way Madonna "performs" is by using props to substitute. We're just going to go around in circles. I understand what you're getting at, I just don't agree.
Do you mind me asking if u went to college for music? U seem very educated in this field.
Thank you. But no, I didn't go to school for music. I have spent the last 10 years watching and studying the evolution of music (and the pop world) from the 60s until now.
This goes back to comparing their strengths. Case and point, last page, this video was posted:
Obviously this video is highlighting Beyonce's singing and dancing.
Okay, let's flip it. Find me a Beyonce performance that's as visually stunning as this:
You have to compare HOW the artists perform, not just "raw ability".
One more thing. Let's say we match those two performances and agree that they're equally as entertaining. They're uptempo and they're both interesting. We still have to consider the fact that Beyoncé can perform at the highest level on TWO fronts.
Unlike Madonna, not only can Beyoncé do what Michael did, she also dips into what Whitney and Aretha did. Beyoncé can simply entertain people with her voice. I think this versatility in performing pushes her a step beyond Madonna.
Madonna COULD NOT do this no matter how hard to try. At the same time, Beyoncé could work with props/visuals like Madonna does. She demonstrated this in the BBMA performance.
One more thing. Let's say we match those two performances and agree that they're equally as entertaining. They're uptempo and they're both interesting. We still have to consider the fact that Beyoncé can perform at the highest level on TWO fronts.
Unlike Madonna, not only can Beyoncé do what Michael did, she also dips into what Whitney and Aretha did. Beyoncé can simply entertain people with her voice. I think this versatility in performing pushes her a step beyond Madonna.
Madonna COULD NOT do this no matter how hard to try. At the same time, Beyoncé could work with props/visuals like Madonna does. She demonstrated this in the BBMA performance.
But it still goes both ways. Beyonce can use her front, singing, and give you Whitney, Aretha, etc. Madonna can use her front, visuals, and give you colonial America, futuristic, etc. There's so many routes each of them can take with HOW they perform. When you assess them superficially, they're evenly matched. But what gives Madonna an edge is decades of experience and evolution, and a legacy that continues to inspire artists today. We will have to see the legacy Beyonce has left for future generations of artists before a discussion with a more level playing field can commence.
One more thing. Let's say we match those two performances and agree that they're equally as entertaining. They're uptempo and they're both interesting. We still have to consider the fact that Beyoncé can perform at the highest level on TWO fronts.
Unlike Madonna, not only can Beyoncé do what Michael did, she also dips into what Whitney and Aretha did. Beyoncé can simply entertain people with her voice. I think this versatility in performing pushes her a step beyond Madonna.
Madonna COULD NOT do this no matter how hard to try. At the same time, Beyoncé could work with props/visuals like Madonna does. She demonstrated this in the BBMA performance.
EXACTLY. Beyonce can do the stunning VISUALS like props and stage design of Madonna even britney and gaga can!!!
meanwhile Madonna CAN NEVER SING/DANCE like Beyonce no matter how hard she tries.
THAT'S A FACT.
PERFORMANCE>>>>>>VISUALS
PERFORMANCE is harder to set-up than visuals
you can hire a lot of people to set up such stage while performing it takes days for you to master such SING and DANCE PERFORMANCE.
its nonsense to prefer visuals over performance
an empty stage with a great performer is better than a full-loaded stage with half-baked lame or lip sync performance.
It's not even that. People can prefer visuals. That's all good.
The thing is, Beyoncé is the ultimate performance package. Not only does she put on a great uptempo show, she also puts on a great stripped show. She's excels on both ends and that's why she can be considered a better performer than an artist who only excels at ONE of these dynamics.
She's the sum of what's good on both extremes of the performance spectrum. With one side denoting visuals, shock value, etc and the other side denoting vocals, dance, etc, Beyoncé would be closer to the middle than most all artists. She's the most balanced and that, to me, makes her the best.
It's not even that. People can prefer visuals. That's all good.
The thing is, Beyoncé is the ultimate performance package. Not only does she put on a great uptempo show, she also puts on a great stripped show. She's excels on both ends and that's why she can be considered a better performer than an artist who only excels at ONE of these dynamics.
She's the sum of what's good on both extremes of the performance spectrum. With one side denoting visuals, shock value, etc and the other side denoting vocals, dance, etc, Beyoncé would be closer to the middle than most all artists. She's the most balanced and that, to me, makes her the best.
Pfft. Janet is a better Performer then Beyonce. Beyonce is a better singer. But lets See her try to Pull of a Concert like The Velvet Rope tour Madison Square Garden
It's not even that. People can prefer visuals. That's all good.
The thing is, Beyoncé is the ultimate performance package. Not only does she put on a great uptempo show, she also puts on a great stripped show. She's excels on both ends and that's why she can be considered a better performer than an artist who only excels at ONE of these dynamics.
She's the sum of what's good on both extremes of the performance spectrum. With one side denoting visuals, shock value, etc and the other side denoting vocals, dance, etc, Beyoncé would be closer to the middle than most all artists. She's the most balanced and that, to me, makes her the best.
but still if you have to choose among the two performance over visuals any day
Beyoncé can wow you with visuals and props
Beyoncé can wow you with singing and dancing
Beyoncé can wow you with sitting in a chair and singing acapella
Etc etc. I think this is what the girls are trying to get it when saying who is the better performer. Beyoncé is perfectly well rounded.
But that's just my point from a few pages ago. When you credit the artist, the team behind the artist is implied in the credit being given. It's like an artist gets praised for an album. Sure they wrote and produced it, but there are other ppl who helped in the process. Similarly, Madonna does her visuals, and she has a team who helps her with them as well.
When you compare visuals with singing and dancing, they leveled. When you go flat, that's on the singer right. When costumes aren't align with the message of the song, that's on the artist. There are other factors that can make an artist go flat. Just like how Beyonce needs her fans because it keeps her cool, which prevents her body from overheating and effecting her voice. The visuals have to be operating in accordance with everything else to be effective.
No. That has nothing to do with the RAW TALENT you were born with. Anyone can put together a collection of songs and call it an album. The gift of song is the TALENT. The gift of songwriting, having a way with Melodies, Harmonies, and lyrics is a Talent. Composing the instrumentation or producing is a TALENT.
What Madonna does is not Raw Talent. Anyone could say "Hey let's play dress up, I want to dress up from the Victorian Era and Perform a song that has nothing to do with it." What did she create? The costumes? The Look? The Wigs?The template was already set for that. Where does her Raw Talent come in? She's basically on stage playing dress up lipping, it's an amateur high school talent show at best.
Sure there are other factors that can make a singer go flat. Breathing improperly can do that, it's apart of human nature. However NO ONE is controlling what's coming out of your BODY but YOU. There are instances where things can happen but OVERALL it's all about the control you have. That's the difference between the two. .
Pfft. Janet is a better Performer then Beyonce. Beyonce is a better singer. But lets See her try to Pull of a Concert like The Velvet Rope tour Madison Square Garden
Janet is a better technical dancer. Beyoncé is a better everything else.
No. That has nothing to do with the RAW TALENT you were born with. Anyone can put together a collection of songs and call it an album. The gift of song is the TALENT. The gift of songwriting, having a way with Melodies, Harmonies, and lyrics is a Talent. Composing the instrumentation or producing is a TALENT.
What Madonna does is not Raw Talent. Anyone could say "Hey let's play dress up, I want to dress up from the Victorian Era and Perform a song that has nothing to do with it." What did she create? The costumes? The Look? The Wigs?The template was already set for that. Where does her Raw Talent come in? She's basically on stage playing dress up lipping, it's an amateur high school talent show at best.
THE MUSIC. Unlike some other pop stars...
And bitch please, Madonna's tours and performances are legendary, don't even try it.
Janet is a better technical dancer. Beyoncé is a better everything else.
Better at everything els like what? Singing? Janet wasn't just a dancer. She was electrifying on stage. even in the slow jams like Thats the way love goes and i get lonely
And bitch please, Madonna's tours and performances are legendary, don't even try it.
And THAT'S Overrated as hell too. Just like her performances. IDGAF how u ****ing feel. I didn't TRY IT boo, I DID it. Ain't **** you can do but deal. Cry or die, bum.
And THAT'S Overrated as hell too. Just like her performances. IDGAF how u ****ing feel. I didn't TRY IT boo, I DID it. Ain't **** you can do but deal. Cry or die, bum.
Madonna is one of the most critically-acclaimed female music artists of all-time and writes her own lyrics and melodies.
But no, I didn't go to school for music. I have spent the last 10 years watching and studying the evolution of music (and the pop world) from the 60s until now.
