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Poll: Will pop radio welcome Beyoncé & Gaga again?
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View Poll Results: Will pop radio welcome Beyonce and Gaga again?
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Yes
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Only if they Get On The Floor
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Member Since: 9/1/2011
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Why don't we include Britney Spears, Rihanna and Madonna in this topic? Criminal flopped even worse than Marry The Night. On top of that 4 and BTW sold a lot more than FF did and BTW and TEoG outperformed Britney's singles. Rihanna has only had 1 #1 single from TTT era and has yet to follow it up since then. Gaga had a #1 hit single, plenty of other hit singles and has massively outperformed album sales. Beyonce's 4 sales crush TTT and she didn't even have a Top 10 single. Madonna's big comeback has yet to produce a massive radio hit as well. Really the only girls not flopping on the radio are Adele and Katy Perry.
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Originally posted by Lasers
Beyonce just made music that wasn't radio friendly.
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No, Beyonce demonstrated piss poor marketing skills. She performed 1+1 when RTW was a single, release a ballad in summer, performed LoT when Party/Countdown were singles, and performed IWH when LoT was a single.
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Originally posted by ClashAndBurn
When you're a pop girl, you do. If you try to be too different from what the other girls are doing, radio will be iffy about supporting your music.
The Edge of Glory wasn't really an attempt at being too different. It was feel-good, upbeat, and its lyrics were more relatable than Marry The Night's were, for example. It was a structured pop song. Not a mess at all, like TEOG's video turned out to be.
That's another thing. The pop girls also have to have good visuals for their music to be successful on the charts. "Bad Romance" probably wouldn't have performed nearly as well as it did if not for the video she presented for it.
It's not just Gaga either. Look at the other girls' videographies. All of Katy's videos have been great, and Rihanna had one of the best videos of her career with WFL.
But if your video is not up to snuff, as a pop girl, your song is likely to fall flat in the sales department, which translates into radio airplay as well.
So that being said, Gaga needs to have a major artistic overhaul and reinvent herself, in image and music.
Beyonce, though, has made her place in history. She doesn't HAVE to do anything, really. It's the others, especially Gaga, who need to prove that they're here to stay.
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I agree that music videos can help boost popularity but it isn't as much as you are saying. RTW and Judas's music videos are the ones with the highest views from their respective era and both of them flopped.
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Sonically, no, but you're just asking for negative comparisons when you put out something like Born This Way as a commercial effort. Generally speaking, you do mixtapes for the fans who stick with you no matter what. Unfortunately, she turned a lot of people away with Born This Way, and it will take some doing to get at least some of them to support her ever again.
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She just needs to keep doing her own thing and appealing to her fanbase. Her fanbase can keep her sustained for a very long time. As long as she keeps writing songs for her dedicated fanbase they will stay around for a while. Because of her fanbase she's selling out her tour WW and is about to have one of the highest grossing tours ever. She's easily going to earn more money than TMB which will make it the #15 biggest tours ever which is something most pop girls(other than Madonna) can't attest to.
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Originally posted by mariska
Lady Gaga bitchslapped Nicole over twitter. Will Nicole ever recover and stop being a negative nancy? Why or why not?
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Now what kind of grandfather clocking?
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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they both can if they go back to their old sounds.
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As an OVERALL album, it was not radio friendly. That's how.
Bey was here for substance this go round.
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Member Since: 9/29/2010
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Sure, if they come back with radio friendly stuff, which I'm sure they will.
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
LOL. I believe TTT will pass 4 in the next week or so if not already.
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I'm sure he's referring to their US sales which is why he mentioned a Top 10 hit, and then there's the fact Rih spent 10 weeks on #1 on the Hot 100 with WFL. 
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I think the radios could easily use a song like End of Time.
Beyoncé doesn't have anything to worry about.
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Originally posted by Lord_Byron28
I agree that music videos can help boost popularity but it isn't as much as you are saying.
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Promotion from videos is very tricky. Sometimes, a video can really make the difference in the success of a song. There is no doubt that Jennifer Lopez and Shakira both benefitted from their rapidly trending music videos ("On the Floor" and "Waka Waka", respectively). Once you hit a certain point, having a video with a high view count alone draws more attention to an artist and his or her song. But as you said, sometimes a video can have many views and still not be very successful as a single, which is probably extremely frustrating for any record label.
I appreciate Beyoncé's enthusiasm towards creating many music videos for her singles. It's something that I took notice of with her "B'day" album, where she released a music video for nearly every song on the album (or maybe it really was every song).
Yet, the problem with releasing so many videos is that sometimes the quality of the videos starts to deteriorate (Ex: "Kitty Cat" video). I felt that "Run The World" and "Best Thing I Never Had" had very strong videos, but the other videos had a noticeable drop in quality ("Countdown" is fun and creative video, though).
A very wonderful video can propel a song and help it become very successful. When a video is not that impressive (Ex: "Love On Top"), though, it doesn't add much to the success of the song. It might even stunt the potential success of a song.
Though Beyonce continued to release singles from "4", it became apparent which singles were given the highest priority and given the gloss treatment (very nice video) and which singles were rushed. Of course, I am taking into consideration obvious limitations caused by being pregnant (reduced number of performances following the initial single), and I'm not holding that against her.
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
No.
No, no, no, no.
Ya'll are so damn dense. Both of their albums were stolen created to cause Grammygasms.
Oh, wait. 
There was no experimenting going on. The old white-wigged men on those panels were CLEARLY in mind for both of them. Just like a generic album is designed for radio.  They wanted the panel to skeet their dusty *** all over them. This "artistic integrity" is nonsense, and the dusty *** was paid to them after all (in a different way). How cute.
How do I know this? Next albums will be commercial as ever- because the formula failed. Boo hoo hoo. |
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Originally posted by stevensaurusrex
No.
No, no, no, no.
Ya'll are so damn dense. Both of their albums were stolen created to cause Grammygasms.
Oh, wait.
There was no experimenting going on. The old white-wigged men on those panels were CLEARLY in mind for both of them. Just like a generic album is designed for radio. They wanted the panel to skeet their dusty *** all over them. This "artistic integrity" is nonsense, and the dusty *** was paid to them after all (in a different way). How cute.
How do I know this? Next albums will be commercial as ever- because the formula failed. Boo hoo hoo. |
That's the thing, the Grammys can't decide whether to reward commercial success or critical acclaim. Seldomly, when the two cross over, like with 21, then you basically have it in the bag.
You also can't be a hip-hop artist, because they always get paid nothing but dust when it comes to the general categories.
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Member Since: 2/26/2012
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Of course they will, if the '4' era wasn't such a mess then her singles could of potentially been hits on radio & the charts, but they were rushed and were being released every month.
And pop radio never stopped playing Gaga, they just didn't give her as much airplay with some of her songs, every artist has a single that isn't as successful as they would wish for it to be. Radio has always been here for Gaga and they will be with her next era if her next lead single isn't try-hard and doesn't have a religious theme.
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Originally posted by Lord_Byron28
Why don't we include Britney Spears, Rihanna and Madonna in this topic? Criminal flopped even worse than Marry The Night. On top of that 4 and BTW sold a lot more than FF did and BTW and TEoG outperformed Britney's singles. Rihanna has only had 1 #1 single from TTT era and has yet to follow it up since then. Gaga had a #1 hit single, plenty of other hit singles and has massively outperformed album sales. Beyonce's 4 sales crush TTT and she didn't even have a Top 10 single. Madonna's big comeback has yet to produce a massive radio hit as well. Really the only girls not flopping on the radio are Adele and Katy Perry.
No, Beyonce demonstrated piss poor marketing skills. She performed 1+1 when RTW was a single, release a ballad in summer, performed LoT when Party/Countdown were singles, and performed IWH when LoT was a single.
I agree that music videos can help boost popularity but it isn't as much as you are saying. RTW and Judas's music videos are the ones with the highest views from their respective era and both of them flopped.
She just needs to keep doing her own thing and appealing to her fanbase. Her fanbase can keep her sustained for a very long time. As long as she keeps writing songs for her dedicated fanbase they will stay around for a while. Because of her fanbase she's selling out her tour WW and is about to have one of the highest grossing tours ever. She's easily going to earn more money than TMB which will make it the #15 biggest tours ever which is something most pop girls(other than Madonna) can't attest to.
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Judas's video release was also overshadowed by Super Bass being released on the same day. Not to mention, the single was handled BADLY. Released on Good Friday after an inside leak? Really?
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Member Since: 11/27/2011
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All I know is they can accept EOT! 
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Member Since: 3/3/2011
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Sure, all they need is a radio-friendly club thumping track which is already visible on the horizon for Stefani. I don't see it anytime soon for Beyonce, though.
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Member Since: 2/3/2012
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Gaga maybe, since this next album is apparently going to be more radio-friendly. Beyonce no. She has a family now, so I think her priorities are changing.
In any case, we'll just have to wait and see.
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Member Since: 11/27/2011
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The real question is, do they WANT to come back to pop?
I think Beyonce is focused on creating a new sound for herself and not fitting into a rigged genre...
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Only if the get ON DA FLOOR
Out Of Control - Lady Gaga feat. Nicki Minaj (Party Rock Remix) [feat. LMFAO & Kanye West]
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Honestly, I think Gaga's doing just fine. They played TEOG, Y&I, and some cities played MTN (New York) I'm sure Beyonce can too.
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Member Since: 12/19/2011
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Originally posted by theerealest
The real question is, do they WANT to come back to pop?
I think Beyonce is focused on creating a new sound for herself and not fitting into a rigged genre...
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What is Gaga's genre right now anyways? I've always thought she was was still doing pop
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