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LMFAO! @ Janet not being noticed much as a pop legend.
Oh sweetie, don't let these fools, fool you. In the 80's through the earl 00's. Janet was considered a pop goddess, she was once called THE QUEEN OF POP, during the time when Madonna and Whitney had also been on the rise.
Her fame doesn't go unnoticed, her fame is underwhelmed due to the fact that most of the users on here are under the age of 20. Janet wasn't the force she was in the 80's and 90's as she was in the 00's due to the superbowl.
She was on the rise the earlier half of the 21st century. She was THE FIRST female superstar ever, even before Madonna to have 3 number 1 singles in 3 different decades. I'm sure these girls all remember All For You, Doesn't Really Matter, and Someone to Call My Lover. All big hits in the 00's. Just those hits are now over 10 years old.
And don't let them sit here and let you call her local. She has many global number 1 hits. TOGETHER AGAIN, ALL FOR YOU, THATS THE WAY LOVE GOES, RHYTHM NATION, LOVE WOULD NEVER DO, ETC. ETC. And she used to tour and sell out arenas as far as Israel, Indonesia, and Asia. She is not local one bit, she just hasn't been big in europe since the last time she had toured there until recently was 1998. As far as Asia and Australia she has still slayed there, even after the superbowl, they love her there.
Janet just the last 8 years of her career didn't stay consistent with her legacy and so to those UNDER 20(Which is majority of the users who post all the time here) have fell off. But trust if you were around the late 80's, 90's or early 00's, you would of considered her up there with the pop legends. She was first to receive awards like MTV ICON, Vanguard awards, World Music Awards Acheivement Awards etc. etc. As well as being the highest paid female artist of all time with her 80 million dollar record deal. Janet is a force, and trust that the anticipation is building for her return. She is still very much a staple in the pop music world.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
1. The Super Bowl wrecked her legacy/legitimacy thereafter. Especially overseas.
2. She was never HUGE in Europe. She didn't do the numbers of the aforementioned three - or even Whitney or Mariah - in the 80s/90s. Truly, a whole generation (or two) don't know any of her music, and either don't know her or her music. If they know her, it's because of the Super Bowl or for being someone's baby sister.
I know, it sickens me too. But Janet was only number ONE in Black America.
It could be worse. You could be in love with the Queen of UK-AUS Pop who never gets any recognition anywhere. |
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I guess maybe it's just the household I grew up in (suburban white family), but I never really heard much about Janet growing up... in fact, if not for her Super Bowl scandal I don't think I'd really know anything about her. In my house, it was always Michael, Madonna (from my mom hahaha), the Beatles, and Elvis... I guess that's why I consider those the big ones. Prince is not even on my radar, and I don't agree with people really listing him because he doesn't have such a strong impact nowadays... maybe when he dies he'll come back.
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Ace, Whitney is a LEGEND.
Come on now, you should know this. 
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OK LEMME ASK THIS...BLU CANTRELL HASN'T SOLD **** COMPARED TO ALL OF THESE PEOPLE. DOES THAT MEAN SHE'S NOT A LEGEND???? oh
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I'm being blatently honest here and i have never heard one of Janets songs on radio or seen one of her videos on tv. The only reason i had heard of her before atrl was 1) Mjs sister 2) The Superbowl.
I really doubt most people my age in the Uk could even name ONE of her songs.
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Whitney's legacy in the 90s >>>>>>>>
Legendary.
Lauryn Hill can die tomorrow and still be seen as a legend because of her game changing album "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill". She doesn't need to outsell Adele or Beyoncé to get that title.
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Originally posted by Kats
I didn't have to prove that she isn't a legend, that is pretty evident to, but at least I showed my case. If you can't, than your opinion is invalid. It doesn't, but those two factors combined are very important, and she already falls short of the real legends. Hence her being an "icon" vs "legend."
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Girl... 
But I guess... I don't have to prove when the footprints are already there. 
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
does it matter what era is which. Mariah Carey is a legend, and so is Whitney Houston. Whitney remade the standard for a vocalist.
Legends that have been claimed Legends by the general public and every award show for YEARS
Madonna
Michael Jackson
Prince
Whitney Houston
Janet Jackson
Mariah Carey
Slash
Al Green
Little Richard
Aretha Franklin
Cher
Tina Turner
Smokey Robinson
Reba Mccentire
Nat King Cole
ETC
It doesn't matter what "ERA" an artist is from. A legend is a legend. The stance these artists. ALL of the artists have made on music is enough to make them legends, the sales is just the perks and fluff. Any1 can be an icon or have something iconic. They are more than that. Like Barney is an icon, do we put Cher on the same level as Barney. He was a big public figure, right? Joni Mitchell changed music for women and Madonna and Janet changed what a female entertainer should be and could be.
the woman has a BILLBOARD in Times Square with the big ass caption "WHAT MAKES A LEGEND MOST?" It's there everyday. It's done. |
wasn't done lol
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Originally posted by FreeXone
LMFAO! @ Janet not being noticed much as a pop legend.
Oh sweetie, don't let these fools, fool you. In the 80's through the earl 00's. Janet was considered a pop goddess, she was once called THE QUEEN OF POP, during the time when Madonna and Whitney had also been on the rise.
Her fame doesn't go unnoticed, her fame is underwhelmed due to the fact that most of the users on here are under the age of 20. Janet wasn't the force she was in the 80's and 90's as she was in the 00's due to the superbowl.
She was on the rise the earlier half of the 21st century. She was THE FIRST female superstar ever, even before Madonna to have 3 number 1 singles in 3 different decades. I'm sure these girls all remember All For You, Doesn't Really Matter, and Someone to Call My Lover. All big hits in the 00's. Just those hits are now over 10 years old.
And don't let them sit here and let you call her local. She has many global number 1 hits. TOGETHER AGAIN, ALL FOR YOU, THATS THE WAY LOVE GOES, RHYTHM NATION, LOVE WOULD NEVER DO, ETC. ETC. And she used to tour and sell out arenas as far as Israel, Indonesia, and Asia. She is not local one bit, she just hasn't been big in europe since the last time she had toured there until recently was 1998. As far as Asia and Australia she has still slayed there, even after the superbowl, they love her there.
Janet just the last 8 years of her career didn't stay consistent with her legacy and so to those UNDER 20(Which is majority of the users who post all the time here) have fell off. But trust if you were around the late 80's, 90's or early 00's, you would of considered her up there with the pop legends. She was first to receive awards like MTV ICON, Vanguard awards, World Music Awards Acheivement Awards etc. etc. As well as being the highest paid female artist of all time with her 80 million dollar record deal. Janet is a force, and trust that the anticipation is building for her return. She is still very much a staple in the pop music world.
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I understand what you're saying.
Obviously i grew up in the late 80s and 90s so Janet will always be incredibly important to me.
I was just trying to give Drunk some CONTEXT as to why she's not mentioned in the same light as others.
Others were ignorant, but I believe I was fairly deadon.
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Originally posted by satellites™
It's never Prince either, it's only Madonna and Michael or Mariah because this is a pop forum consisting of mostly caucasian members or European posters who probably didn't get as much Janet as they got Madonna in their household. The other reason is most of them are young and only reference Madonna because of the constant comparisons to Britney or Lady Gaga.
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Clocked and not one lie.
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Originally posted by Deemy
Ace, Whitney is a LEGEND.
Come on now, you should know this. |
I don't use her and neither does the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.
She's had three years and she's never even popped up on the ballot. 
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Originally posted by FreeXone
LMFAO! @ Janet not being noticed much as a pop legend.
Oh sweetie, don't let these fools, fool you. In the 80's through the earl 00's. Janet was considered a pop goddess, she was once called THE QUEEN OF POP, during the time when Madonna and Whitney had also been on the rise.
Her fame doesn't go unnoticed, her fame is underwhelmed due to the fact that most of the users on here are under the age of 20. Janet wasn't the force she was in the 80's and 90's as she was in the 00's due to the superbowl.
She was on the rise the earlier half of the 21st century. She was THE FIRST female superstar ever, even before Madonna to have 3 number 1 singles in 3 different decades. I'm sure these girls all remember All For You, Doesn't Really Matter, and Someone to Call My Lover. All big hits in the 00's. Just those hits are now over 10 years old.
And don't let them sit here and let you call her local. She has many global number 1 hits. TOGETHER AGAIN, ALL FOR YOU, THATS THE WAY LOVE GOES, RHYTHM NATION, LOVE WOULD NEVER DO, ETC. ETC. And she used to tour and sell out arenas as far as Israel, Indonesia, and Asia. She is not local one bit, she just hasn't been big in europe since the last time she had toured there until recently was 1998. As far as Asia and Australia she has still slayed there, even after the superbowl, they love her there.
Janet just the last 8 years of her career didn't stay consistent with her legacy and so to those UNDER 20(Which is majority of the users who post all the time here) have fell off. But trust if you were around the late 80's, 90's or early 00's, you would of considered her up there with the pop legends. She was first to receive awards like MTV ICON, Vanguard awards, World Music Awards Acheivement Awards etc. etc. As well as being the highest paid female artist of all time with her 80 million dollar record deal. Janet is a force, and trust that the anticipation is building for her return. She is still very much a staple in the pop music world.
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Yea I think u would have to be IN THAT MOMENT to understand why she's a legend. Looking back from 2012, u probably wouldn't see it, but if u were growing up to her or w/e u would agree that she's a legend. I was too young, but YOUTUBE, and google helps lol
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Originally posted by Kats
Prove it. Were proving why she isn't, why can't you prove why she is?
Album sales: Less
Record Sales: Less
WW Impact: Less
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Sales do not define what makes someone a legend. Madonna will never sell as much as Michael, the Beatles, or the rolling stones, so does that make her impact less influential? No.
Janet is LEGEND, not just because of her sales, but because of her impact in pop and her influcne and in the music world is seen as a staple in pop. DEAL.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
LMFAO! @ Janet not being noticed much as a pop legend.
Oh sweetie, don't let these fools, fool you. In the 80's through the earl 00's. Janet was considered a pop goddess, she was once called THE QUEEN OF POP, during the time when Madonna and Whitney had also been on the rise.
Her fame doesn't go unnoticed, her fame is underwhelmed due to the fact that most of the users on here are under the age of 20. Janet wasn't the force she was in the 80's and 90's as she was in the 00's due to the superbowl.
She was on the rise the earlier half of the 21st century. She was THE FIRST female superstar ever, even before Madonna to have 3 number 1 singles in 3 different decades. I'm sure these girls all remember All For You, Doesn't Really Matter, and Someone to Call My Lover. All big hits in the 00's. Just those hits are now over 10 years old.
And don't let them sit here and let you call her local. She has many global number 1 hits. TOGETHER AGAIN, ALL FOR YOU, THATS THE WAY LOVE GOES, RHYTHM NATION, LOVE WOULD NEVER DO, ETC. ETC. And she used to tour and sell out arenas as far as Israel, Indonesia, and Asia. She is not local one bit, she just hasn't been big in europe since the last time she had toured there until recently was 1998. As far as Asia and Australia she has still slayed there, even after the superbowl, they love her there.
Janet just the last 8 years of her career didn't stay consistent with her legacy and so to those UNDER 20(Which is majority of the users who post all the time here) have fell off. But trust if you were around the late 80's, 90's or early 00's, you would of considered her up there with the pop legends. She was first to receive awards like MTV ICON, Vanguard awards, World Music Awards Acheivement Awards etc. etc. As well as being the highest paid female artist of all time with her 80 million dollar record deal. Janet is a force, and trust that the anticipation is building for her return. She is still very much a staple in the pop music world.
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Originally posted by Midnight
Clocked and not one lie.
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Sats was mostly dead-on, but he shouldn't generalize that much. I'm black and I grew up with equal amounts of Janet AND Madonna. Hell, Ray of Light was the first CD I ever purchased! But janet. was the first CD I ever owned - until it was confiscated by my oldest sister for being too "mature" for a seven year old.
There was also a lot of Whitney. 
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Originally posted by patrick
ok lemme ask this...blu cantrell hasn't sold **** compared to all of these people. Does that mean she's not a legend???? Oh
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lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i like blu cantrell she's beautiful.
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Originally posted by Nicole
I feel like Cher might be a legend. She's had so many lives, has come back from the dead in so many different incarnations. She's like the ultimate cockroach of showibz. That might be enough to secure her a spot on the legend list.
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I don't think she's engrained deep enough in pop culture to hold that title.
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Originally posted by FreeXone
Sales do not define what makes someone a legend. Madonna will never sell as much as Michael, the Beatles, or the rolling stones, so does that make her impact less influential? No.
Janet is LEGEND, and in the music world is seen as a staple in pop. DEAL.
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That's just simply not true, at least not in the UK.
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
THE KNOWLEDGE.
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What's hilarious is the fact that not that many people here know that reference. 
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