[Midnight]

Originally posted by Anti.Emotional

You don't have to buy it. You aren't a stan so you obviously don't know what the actual stans do. This is like y'all always boasting about Mathew getting her grammys when she only won one for B'Day.

They refuse to accept.

[HouseOfFatale]

Originally posted by YaBoiJay18

**** Mathew and his trifling ass.

His trifling ass got Beyonce to where she is now....




Maybe she flopped because he's no longer her manager

[TheOnlyOne]

Originally posted by YaBoiJay18

The critics disagree.

Well critics don't make a song successful, as you can obviously see.

This is about why Countdown flopped not how much critical acclaim it has.

[Nicole]

Originally posted by Monroe

I don't buy it. No way those 6 Grammy wins happened without Mathew.

Beyonce won Grammys because she was the perfect combination of what they look for: a class act popstar and great performer with huge anthemic singles and nice album sales.

[TheRealBabyDre]

The Mathew and the Grammys talk above is plain stupid for me !

The was/is a mess because her priority is obviously her baby and everybody can see she doesn't care about radio hits !

[BnPac]

Originally posted by TheOnlyOne

No one is saying payola doesn't exist, but to say the sole reason Countdown flopped is because there was no payola is ludicrous and reeks of delusion.

A good, single-worthy song by a major artist will do well without payola. Countdown is neither of those things.

So all the singles from Rated R except for Rudeboy were all atrcious (which I agree with btw) since they were made for radio therefore singleworthy? Ok then, you are right, again I totally agree.

[YaBoiJay18]

People are so ignorant about these Grammy's. You can always spot the hater when they type that nonsense.

[Drais.]

Originally posted by BnPac

He did, he "limited" her. He took the back seat in her career since B'Day so he was not so important to her success, she just needs to fing a good team on her own. And without his influence she recorded the best two albums of her career. He is not good. Plus we will have had more dramas in the media with his mistress, son, how he supposely did wrong to Kelly (who is still flopping harder btw) and Letoya's team would have found a way to release something the same day as one of Bey's singles and spread the news that he is trying to sabbotage her. She is better off without him.

Let's not make this about something that it's not, her lead single put people off the way it rarely ever happens in the music industry, she lost the radio support with that because it is very difficult to rebound after that point. Her songs are not being played at radio and she still almost sold a million of that album.



He is one vote, just like John Legend is one vote, like some other producers and managers are one vote. Yet how many other people in this industry get 16 Grammys? Oh that's what I thought. She has them, she deserved them at this moment she is dusting them with her pregnant belly at home smiling.

Some people really need to get over it.

Well its not like they anticipate the grammys and we all know why so obviously they don't know the rules for the committee. It is practically impossible for Mathew to have enough influence over the entire committee. Logic escapes them.

[Monroe]

Originally posted by BnPac

Plus we will have had more dramas in the media with his mistress, son, how he supposely did wrong to Kelly (who is still flopping harder btw) and Letoya's team would have found a way to release something the same day as one of Bey's singles and spread the news that he is trying to sabbotage her. She is better off without him.

Beyonce has had that image since Survivor. That's nothing new. Beyonce and her family have always been portrayed as a shady characters. This is not news.

Let's not make this about something that it's not, her lead single put people off the way it rarely ever happens in the music industry.

There is no excuse why this era hasn't had at least one big single. It's not like she created an indie album. Best Thing I Never Had was pretty much tailor made for multi-format pop success. This era is pretty much a duplicate of B'Day just without an Irreplaceable to save the day. The truth of the matter is her material didn't ignite with listeners outside of the urban community. She did everything right for better or for worse. Massive promo, tested the right singles, released enough singles, etc. The truth is just the material didn't ignite with audiences outside of the R&B crowd. That's why she flopped compared to her last few releases.

[DG1]

Originally posted by Monroe

I don't buy it. No way those 6 Grammy wins happened without Mathew.

Umm no... They just couldn't of given other songs over SL & Halo....

[Callisto.]

Originally posted by HouseOfFatale

His trifling ass got Beyonce to where she is now....




Maybe she flopped because he's no longer her manager

Matthew didn't get Beyoncé anywhere. He may have helped her get to a platform for her voice to be heard but he certainly didn't get Beyoncé to where he is now. If he's so great why couldn't he help Kelly or Michelle and don't try the "She's his daughter" line because I don't see Solange perched on the charts. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE is a hard worker. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE went after what she wanted. Beyoncé got to where she is because SHE had ambition.

[YaBoiJay18]

Originally posted by HouseOfFatale

His trifling ass got Beyonce to where she is now....




Maybe she flopped because he's no longer her manager

Flopped? 4 is a flop?

[Midnight]

Originally posted by YaBoiJay18

People are so ignorant about these Grammy's. You can always spot the hater when they type that nonsense.

Right? How the hell do you pay off the entire Grammy committee? All of the people on that committee work in the music industry, so why would they need Mathew's coins?

[CaptainMusic]

I'd say mainly because it followed two underperforming/flop singles.

EOT would've also been a better choice.

[LightandDarkness]

Radio airplay is everything! This is why Rihanna and Katy Perry continue to dominate Billboard Hot 100.

PAYOLA IS EVERYTHING

[Monroe]

Originally posted by Anti.Emotional

Thanks for proving my point.

It's ridiculous to think she would win big again after she won 5 the last time. Plus that year belonged to Amy anyway, her album was a huge hit with critics and her album sold massively. No way they were going to ignore Amy that year while Beyonce underperformed continuously outside of Irreplaceable.

[CaptainMusic]

Dead at this turning into a discussion about the grammys.

[Andre]

Originally posted by Nicole

The 'no payola' thing is complete bs. Radio plays what listeners want to hear. It's a business. Did Dev have payola for In The Dark? Did Alexandra Stan have payola for Mr. Saxobeat? Did J Cole have payola for Work Out? Do these 3 artists have more resources and pull on radio than Beyonce with her hundreds of millions of dollars?

I'm not blaming everything on the payola deal, It's clear she flopped because of bad promo/marketing + a lot of video releases, etc...

But payola helps, a lot. That's why MTN isn't cracking the top 20 on iTunes

"Please be advised that in this week's Jennifer Lopez Top 40 Spin Increase of 236 we bought 63 spins at a cost of $3,600."

"Please be advised that in this week's Good Charlotte Top 40 Spin Increase of 61 we bought approximately 250 spins at a cost of $17K …"


Epic, home of J-Lo, a memo from Nov. 12, 2002, a "rate" card that shows radio stations in the Top 23 markets will receive $1000, Markets 23-100 get $800, lower markets $500. "If a record receives less than 75 spins at any given radio station, we will not pay the full rate," the memo to DJs states. "We look forward to breaking many records together in the future."
Take Jennifer Lopez's awful record, "Get Right," with its shrill horn and lifted rap. It's now clear that was a "bought" sensation when it was released last winter. So, too, were her previous "hits" "I'm Glad" and "I'm Real," according to the memos. All were obtained by Sony laying out dough and incentives. It's no surprise. There isn't a person alive who could hum any of those "songs" now. Not even J-Lo herself.

[BnPac]

Originally posted by Nicole

Beyonce won Grammys because she was the perfect combination of what they look for: a class act popstar and great performer with huge anthemic singles and nice album sales.

Will they ever admit it? two years and they are still seething over it. So it is all good.

She also won 5 Grammys for DIL just like Alicia, Lauryn Hill. What happened there? I guess Matthew must be the God himself, being able to force her songs credits, her grammys, her Nrj awards, her MTV awards, her amazing voice and control, her ridiculous gift for performing, her mindblowing harmonies. I'll go with that since it'll mean Bey is the Christ.

What about the woman don't deserve all those grammys?

[Drais.]

Originally posted by Monroe

It's ridiculous to think she would win big again after she won 5 the last time.

Exactly, and since she won even bigger during IASF she obviously wasn't gonna win big again with 4. Are you even reading your own posts?