[£100]

Originally posted by Katie

My question isn't about those born here, it's about those that come here after being born somewhere else. So that many people are coming to the US without any intention of being a citizen? I find it hard to believe that so many people are okay being criminals like that. It's just mind-boggling to think THAT many people would live like that.



Does that only apply to those that migrate here, and then leave? Or born-citizens as well?

It applies to all citizens, naturalised or "native". Including children who just happened to be born in the US but didn't actually grow up there.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Shape

I'm sorry but getting a green card or even a ****ing visa when you're from Mexico is next to impossible, so let's not act like the issue is that they're too lazy to get a green card.

The US has ****ing horrible foreign policy, and silly immigration laws.

It's because of ignorant fools who think that all immigrants need to speak English, throw out all of their cultural traditions, and basically assimilate into a fat lazy society.

Instead, they take jobs by taking less money, and the Americans who can't find jobs get pissed because they're not willing to work for lower than $20 an hour because they need their UFC and their players, and when a Mexican worker will go it at $6 an hour just so they can send money back home, they get pissed that people are willing to actually work their asses off, so they start shrieking about how evil it is.

Look, you need to work. Sometimes for less than you'd like. If you don't want to, fine. There will be 40 people willing to work that hard instead.

EDIT: Just saw Katie's post. I'm just using Mexicans as an example because it's easiest for them to immigrate there.

I wasn't assuming anything. I was honestly asking what the main reasons are for people being illegal in the US. I know about zero on the topic, so I figured I'd ask.

[Shapes]

Originally posted by vengabeat

YES! I was waiting for you to show up.

Illegal immigrants don't hop the border because they want to be criminals, they do it because it's not that easy to get into the country the "right" way. If you try to pass through the border patrol, they haul your ass right back to Mexico and dump you in the middle of the nearest city.

___

You should all watch the 2010 film "Monsters"

It was made on an estimated budget of $15,000 pre-effects, and $200,000 after effects.

It's like District-9, but instead of apartheid it uses another not-so-subtle allegory, but for illegal immigrants from Mexico

[KitKat]

Originally posted by £100

It applies to all citizens, naturalised or "native". Including children who just happened to be born in the US but didn't actually grow up there.

I did not know this, and I'm born and raised in the US

Ugh, I did not agree to that. I hate when people are born into things like this.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by vengabeat

They come here for jobs and for a "better life". The problem is that acquiring citizenship is next to impossible when you enter the country illegally. Most illegal immigrants stay under the radar and don't bother because they're afraid of deportation. Most of them are normal families and don't think to themselves, "I'm living on the edge of the law, law, law," they're just like, "Let us live our lives."

Ok, now all this makes perfect sense. And like I said above, I forgot about the English requirement.

[Shapes]

Oh, and btw you are racist to pigeonhole all illegal immigrants as criminals, and saying that you hate all illegal immigrants because of the actions of very few.

[NE.]

Originally posted by Shape

I'm sorry but getting a green card or even a ****ing visa when you're from Mexico is next to impossible, so let's not act like the issue is that they're too lazy to get a green card.

The US has ****ing horrible foreign policy, and silly immigration laws.

It's because of ignorant fools who think that all immigrants need to speak English, throw out all of their cultural traditions, and basically assimilate into a fat lazy society.

Instead, they take jobs by taking less money, and the Americans who can't find jobs get pissed because they're not willing to work for lower than $20 an hour because they need their UFC and their Blu-ray players, and when a Mexican worker will go it at $6 an hour just so they can send money back home, they get pissed that people are willing to actually work their asses off, so they start shrieking about how evil it is.

Look, you need to work. Sometimes for less than you'd like. If you don't want to, fine. There will be 40 people willing to work that hard instead.

EDIT: Just saw Katie's post. I'm just using Mexicans as an example because it's easiest for them to immigrate there.

It's next to impossible for Mexcians to get a greencard NOW, because they burned their bridge by having so many of their citizens come here illegally to begin with. Why should America be giving top priority when most of their citizens don't even come here legally to begin with?

The U.S. has great immigration and foreign policies, which is exactly why EVERYONE wants to come to America. I don't even think people realize that this is one of the ONLY country's where you can actually make a better life for yourself That's why they call it the "American Dream".

We're not the #1 world superpower for no reason.

[NE.]

Originally posted by Shape

Oh, and btw you are racist to pigeonhole all illegal immigrants as criminals, and saying that you hate all illegal immigrants because of the actions of very few.

You do realize that living in America illegally IS a federal crime in itself? So yes, that would make everyone who lives here without a visa a criminal according to the law. And if you're caught, you're deported accordingly.

[Forevermore]

Originally posted by NE.

We may not be able to pay all of it back, but it still doesn't change the fact that we're losing our own money to other countries. America already has too many families' in poverty. Why are we paying for Mexico's problems too?

And pardon me, I meant Korea actually.

Not true at all. A job is a job. Do you know how many people are out there complaining about illegals taking jobs? And trust me, in this economy, people are almost looking to find ANYTHING that will pay them. lol. Especially the lower class? Lower class Americans are losing their jobs to Non-American citizens? Something isn't right there.

We're not ever going to fix our economy if we're paying Mexico's citizens what our citizens should be having in their own wallets.

Agree that America is definitely digging itself deeper and deeper into enormous debt. There's nothing we can do to control Mexico's problems as a country.

North right?

I don't think your last point is true. I don't think Americans are willing to work in the fields picking fruits (such as grapes) for a profit. Those workers work extremely long hours in miserable conditions and are most likely under payed by their employers. No American that I know would ever take a job like that.

[vengabeat]

Originally posted by NE.

Not true at all. A job is a job. Do you know how many people are out there complaining about illegals taking jobs? And trust me, in this economy, people are almost looking to find ANYTHING that will pay them. lol. Especially the lower class? Lower class Americans are losing their jobs to Non-American citizens? Something isn't right there.

We're not ever going to fix our economy if we're paying Mexico's citizens what our citizens should be having in their own wallets.

Even where I live (a poor area), I wouldn't be able to find a white man who would work for well under minimum wage like most illegal immigrants happily do. Even though we're in a hole right now, people still want to be paid well.

"Lower class Americans are losing their jobs to Non-American citizens?" That's one of the biggest lies right wing media tries to push on us. Nearly every single tax-paying job requires a background check and illegal immigrants don't bother with those because they don't have backgrounds and/or social security numbers. They are not taking anyone's job, they are doing the jobs no one wants.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by Shape

Oh, and btw you are racist to pigeonhole all illegal immigrants as criminals, and saying that you hate all illegal immigrants because of the actions of very few.

Now we're getting into wordplay here...illegal =/= criminal?

But I still think the concept is crazy. Who are we to call immigrants illegal? Have a basic registration process and get them started with taxed income. No jumping through hoops, no crazy requirements.

[Shapes]

Originally posted by NE.

It's next to impossible for Mexcians to get a greencard NOW, because they burned their bridge by having so many of their citizens come here illegally to begin with. Why should America be giving top priority when most of their citizens don't even come here legally to begin with?

The U.S. has great immigration and foreign policies, which is exactly why EVERYONE wants to come to America. I don't even think people realize that this is one of the ONLY country's where you can actually make a better life for yourself That's why they call it the "American Dream".

We're not the #1 world superpower for no reason.

What you're saying is quite ignorant. There shouldn't be a burned bridge, because it's the United States' fault that they had to come illegally. Mexican citizens didn't decide to skip green card applications one day for fun, those kinds of rules have been in effect longer than that. And if you think that allowing someone to immigrate is "top priority", then I just can't.

Oh my god these last two paragraphs I can't even reply to you I'll just report you for being ignorant.

You're clearly a victim of propaganda, and this is coming from someone who is semi right-wing.

Actually, I'll just say this: People dont come to America for the abysmal foreign and immigration policies. They come here because you're an ECONOMIC superpower. Don't forget that.

[vengabeat]

Originally posted by Katie

Now we're getting into wordplay here...illegal =/= criminal?

But I still think the concept is crazy. Who are we to call immigrants illegal? Have a basic registration process and get them started with taxed income. No jumping through hoops, no crazy requirements.

If you want to get technical, they're criminals, but not because they want to be. They're labeled as criminals because of this country's ****ed up immigration policy. If you want to get super technical, we're all ****ing criminals because we've all broken the law before.

I agree 100% with your last part!

[Hollywood.]

I wish Canada had somewhat stronger immigration laws. Last year, they just let 500+ illegal immigrants knowly walk-right into the country provided them with free food + clothing and shelter. All paid for via the taxpayers.. (they said it was like $15,000 per person.) What bothered me was there are homeless Canadians who could have been given that food + clothing and shelter.

You know what, I think I'm gonna become a citizen of a different country, then sail illegally into Canada to reap up these benefits

[Shapes]

Originally posted by Katie

Now we're getting into wordplay here...illegal =/= criminal?

But I still think the concept is crazy. Who are we to call immigrants illegal? Have a basic registration process and get them started with taxed income. No jumping through hoops, no crazy requirements.

He was talking about other criminal activities.

I agree with you 100%.

[£100]

Originally posted by NE.

It's next to impossible for Mexcians to get a greencard NOW, because they burned their bridge by having so many of their citizens come here illegally to begin with. Why should America be giving top priority when most of their citizens don't even come here legally to begin with?

The U.S. has great immigration and foreign policies, which is exactly why EVERYONE wants to come to America. I don't even think people realize that this is one of the ONLY country's where you can actually make a better life for yourself That's why they call it the "American Dream".

We're not the #1 world superpower for no reason.

No, current US immigration policy is poor. That's why it needs reform. If it were so great, then you wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants.

[KitKat]

Originally posted by vengabeat

If you want to get technical, they're criminals, but not because they want to be. They're labeled as criminals because of this country's ****ed up immigration policy. If you want to get super technical, we're all ****ing criminals because we've all broken the law before.

I agree 100% with your last part!

I figured I should make my stance known, since I don't think I did earlier

[Shapes]

Originally posted by Hollywood

I wish Canada had somewhat stronger immigration laws. Last year, they just let 500+ illegal immigrants knowly walk-right into the country provided them with free food + clothing and shelter. All paid for via the taxpayers.. (they said it was like $15,000 per person.) What bothered me was there are homeless Canadians who could have been given that food + clothing and shelter.

You know what, I think I'm gonna become a citizen of a different country, then sail illegally into Canada to reap up these benefits

Yeah **** THE POOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T CANADIAN GROWN WOO.

Seriously?

[vengabeat]

Originally posted by Hollywood

I wish Canada had somewhat stronger immigration laws. Last year, they just let 500+ illegal immigrants knowly walk-right into the country provided them with free food + clothing and shelter. All paid for via the taxpayers.. (they said it was like $15,000 per person.) What bothered me was there are homeless Canadians who could have been given that food + clothing and shelter.

You know what, I think I'm gonna become a citizen of a different country, then sail illegally into Canada to reap up these benefits

I'm actually going to move to Canada after I get my degree here in the states. I can't wait to be able to say I'm a Canadian citizen.

[NE.]

Originally posted by TheGeoKing

North right?

I don't think your last point is true. I don't think Americans are willing to work in the fields picking fruits such as grapes for a profit. Those workers work extremely long hours in miserable conditions and are most likely under payed by their employers.

Yes.

And poverty is on the RISE, in America. I can't speak for anyone on ATRL. We have internet, most of us probably live in homes with heating during the Winter and food in the fridge. Nearly 20% of America is under the poverty line and when you're a man with a family to feed, you're not going to be a diva and be afraid to get down and dirty. There were poor Americans working long hours in miserable conditions before, so their shouldn't be any reason why they should have a spot now when they need them.

So many Americans are asking why there aren't enough jobs and why America is losing its economy to China. Not saying this is totally to be blamed on illegal immigration, but is it a big factor? Oh hell yes. And just wait another decade when we REALLY start seeing the effects if its not handled.