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Album: Britney Spears - 'Femme Fatale'
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Whether or not criminal flops, i still think it was a great single choice. We got an AMAZING video out of it and better a risky single choice flop then have another generic single. I just couldn't take another one tbh.
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I disagree with this so hard. 
Does anyone know if Tweeting radio stations helps?
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Whether or not criminal flops, i still think it was a great single choice. We got an AMAZING video out of it and better a risky single choice flop then have another generic single. I just couldn't take another one tbh.
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I mean it's still early in it's chart life, but thus far how is it a great single choice? Hardly getting any radio play, video hasn't generated mass interest, and the album has only returned for a short period time - before it's back out of the iTunes/BB200 chart. Sure, it got a good video - but clearly any single would've got the budget for a great video.
And I'm so interested in what makes "Criminal" risky.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
I disagree with this so hard. |
Why? Because you don't like the song and wanted BFB as a single? WHY exactly would you want britney to release another generic song that sounds like a Black eyed peas reject? Britney has become so fricken basic this era, criminal actually showed people that FF has some diversity. I love seeing/hearing people say stuff like 'oh britney's new single has a flute, that's new' , 'britney's new song is SO DIFFERENT' or similar **** to that. BFB would have probably just had a video with stiff dancing that just wouldn't compare to the criminal video. Not to mention i bet britney pushed hard for criminal to be a single, she's stated many times that it's one of her favorites on the album and likes it because of how different is. I honestly doubt Jive would have put criminal as a choice for the next single if it wasn't for britney.
This may sound weird, but just because a song flops doesn't mean it was a bad single choice.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
I mean it's still early in it's chart life, but thus far how is it a great single choice? Hardly getting any radio play, video hasn't generated mass interest, and the album has only returned for a short period time - before it's back out of the iTunes/BB200 chart. Sure, it got a good video - but clearly any single would've got the budget for a great video.
And I'm so interested in what makes "Criminal" risky.
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People call it risky because it's not an obvious chart topper. That's not risky, that's stupid. Releasing "Up N Down" would be risky because it's not on the standard edition and not everyone has heard it, but it's still an amazing song, has a great beat and is extremely catchy. At this point, I'd be more interested in releasing Up N Down than I would Big Fat Bass.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
And I'm so interested in what makes "Criminal" risky.
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It's a risky single choice because it's her first non dance single in 7 years, everyone is so used to britney releasing generic dance songs, noone would've ever expected her to release a song like criminal which contains a flute (something that you just don't hear on radio). 
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Originally posted by Alexz
Criminal on iTunes
#012 Sweden
#018 France
#026 Finland
#036 Canada
#036 Switzerland
#042 Latvia
#056 Germany
#059 United States
#068 Ireland
#069 Slovakia
#078 Denmark
#082 Norway
#094 Belgium
#094 Lithuania
#149 Austria
#210 Mexico
#227 Australia
#235 United Kingdom
#242 Czech Republic
#293 Spain
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It's not floping at all...
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
People call it risky because it's not an obvious chart topper. That's not risky, that's stupid. Releasing "Up N Down" would be risky because it's not on the standard edition and not everyone has heard it, but it's still an amazing song, has a great beat and is extremely catchy. At this point, I'd be more interested in releasing Up N Down than I would Big Fat Bass.
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If that's the case, they're stupid. No Britney song is a chart topper outside the lead single since they'll never put promotional efforts into others. I've also seen people mention the flute as being risky, which is also stupid. No one gives a damn about a flute except Louie.
As for "Up N Down".  It would be SLAYING at this point tbh. Like you said, the beat is infectious and just so Britney. 
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Why? Because you don't like the song and wanted BFB as a single? WHY exactly would you want britney to release another generic song that sounds like a Black eyed peas reject? Britney has become so fricken basic this era, criminal actually showed people that FF has some diversity. I love seeing/hearing people say stuff like 'oh britney's new single has a flute, that's new' , 'britney's new song is SO DIFFERENT' or similar **** to that. BFB would have probably just had a video with stiff dancing that just wouldn't compare to the criminal video. Not to mention i bet britney pushed hard for criminal to be a single, she's stated many times that it's one of her favorites on the album and likes it because of how different is. I honestly doubt Jive would have put criminal as a choice for the next single if it wasn't for britney.
This may sound weird, but just because a song flops doesn't mean it was a bad single choice.
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I'm not here for you opinion on Big Fat Bass, but the you and every other fans have the poorest logic behind wanting to release Criminal. The point of releasing a single is so that it will do well on radio. This has been the first era where Britney has been consistent with singles and now it's looking like the era is going to take a tumble because the fans wanted a song that's different. Unfortunately, no one else is here for Criminal. I mean, you already have the song? Why do fans feel like they need to prove that Britney can do other things? Obviously, the song is still on the CD. You can still listen to it whenever you want. There was no need to send that song to radio. Sure, Criminal is different, but that doesn't make it a good song. It really doesn't. Even if the fans mass voted for this song to be a single, it doesn't make it any more radio-friendly and no amount of extra bass and synth with change that. Regardless of how you think Big Fat Bass will flop, the fact remains that Black Eyed Peas singles tend to SLAY the charts DOWNE. Britney needs that. Femme Fatale certainly needs it. I can appreciate the amazing video we got from it, but I'd much rather see some longevity come from Britney this era. If it has to come from a "generic" song, as you call it, then so be it... but "longevity" >>>>>>> "something different."
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
If that's the case, they're stupid. No Britney song is a chart topper outside the lead single since they'll never put promotional efforts into others. I've also seen people mention the flute as being risky, which is also stupid. No one gives a damn about a flute except Louie.
As for "Up N Down". It would be SLAYING at this point tbh. Like you said, the beat is infectious and just so Britney. |
Exactly, Britney has defined her career as a dance artist, just like Adele has defined hers on this monotonous slow songs that all sound the same. Every artist has a sound and it's what people expect. Notice that, for the most part, when artists try to go a different route, they flop really hard. Look at Christina trying to blend into the dance era with Bionic. It doesn't work for her because that sound doesn't fit her as an artist. Same for Britney releasing songs like Criminal.
Britney releasing Criminal is comparable to releasing "My Baby." It's also a slow tempo, so by Captain's logic, it should have also been a single.
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DEAD at up n down being a risky single choice and how the **** is releasing a song with a flute not risky?
Some of you guys are just too much.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
DEAD at up n down being a risky single choice and how the **** is releasing a song with a flute not risky?
Some of you guys are just too much.
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So flute = risky?
I'd really like to know at which point in your life you developed your logic for which singles should be released. You'd fit right in at Jive and at this point would be out of a job because of your ****** single choices, just like Jive.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
It's a risky single choice because it's her first non dance single in 7 years, everyone is so used to britney releasing generic dance songs, noone would've ever expected her to release a song like criminal which contains a flute (something that you just don't hear on radio). |
Oh gawd. That does not make it risky. She released a mid-tempo single, so what? And just because she does dance music doesn't make it automatically generic. "Gimme More", "Piece of Me", "Break the Ice", "Womanizer", "Circus", etc. etc. These are not "generic dance songs". They all have unique qualities, with Britney making them her songs that no one else could pull off. The only truly generic songs Britney has released in the last 7 years are "If U Seek Amy" & "I Wanna Go", the latter you stan for apparently.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
Oh gawd. That does not make it risky. She released a mid-tempo single, so what? And just because she does dance music doesn't make it automatically generic. "Gimme More", "Piece of Me", "Break the Ice", "Womanizer", "Circus", etc. etc. These are not "generic dance songs". They all have unique qualities, with Britney making them her songs that no one else could pull off. The only truly generic songs Britney has released in the last 7 years are "If U Seek Amy" & "I Wanna Go", the latter you stan for apparently. |
Not to much on "If U Seek Amy."
Songs like "If U Seek Amy" and "3" are risky because of the lyrical controversies. They were self-promoting, which was great because at the time, no one was promoting Britney at all.
I still can't at "Flute = Risky"
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Britney releasing Criminal is comparable to releasing "My Baby." It's also a slow tempo, so by Captain's logic, it should have also been a single.
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Don't try it. Criminal while risky still has potential to be a moderate hit, if it didn't noone would have wanted it as single while my baby just has flop written all over it and isn't even that good of a song. It's like with the fans who wanted unusual you to be a single, it would have been a good change of pace for britney and still had potential to do SOMETHING.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Don't try it. Criminal while risky still has potential to be a moderate hit, if it didn't noone would have wanted it as single while my baby just has flop written all over it and isn't even that good of a song. It's like with the fans who wanted unusual you to be a single, it would have been a good change of pace for britney and still had potential to do SOMETHING.
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**** a moderate hit. Who is she? Ciara? Please.
Fans voted for Criminal because, like you, they were pressed to prove that Britney can do other things besides talk over a beat. Unfortunately, not a single **** is given outside of her fan base about what songs she comes out with other than singles, so it's important to do well on radio. Choosing Criminal was bad, end of story.
But according to your logic, Britney should now add a flute to all of her songs to boost up the "risk" factor...
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
The point of releasing a single is so that it will do well on radio.
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Well clearly getting a good music video and believing that the song choice is making everyone in the world think differently of her as an artist more important. 
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Regardless of how you think Big Fat Bass will flop, the fact remains that Black Eyed Peas singles tend to SLAY the charts DOWNE. Britney needs that. Femme Fatale certainly needs it. I can appreciate the amazing video we got from it, but I'd much rather see some longevity come from Britney this era. If it has to come from a "generic" song, as you call it, then so be it... but "longevity" >>>>>>> "something different."
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 "BFB" might be generic, but look at "Sexy And I Know It" & "We Found Love", etc. "Criminal" isn't going to compete against them in Top 40 rotations right now.
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Originally posted by Mister Martain
Exactly, Britney has defined her career as a dance artist, just like Adele has defined hers on this monotonous slow songs that all sound the same. Every artist has a sound and it's what people expect. Notice that, for the most part, when artists try to go a different route, they flop really hard. Look at Christina trying to blend into the dance era with Bionic. It doesn't work for her because that sound doesn't fit her as an artist. Same for Britney releasing songs like Criminal.
Britney releasing Criminal is comparable to releasing "My Baby." It's also a slow tempo, so by Captain's logic, it should have also been a single.
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Some fans.
I think it'll be a great moment for us when Britney goes all In The Zone again, and creates some alternative-dance album that the public/radio may or may not accept. But today, in the Femme Fatale era. Her most consistent and successful in singles in a long while. There's no point in changing the formula when there are even more radio-ready songs. "Criminal" is a weak follow-up to "IWG" especially because "IWG" already didn't have that great of reception in sales. Plus that weak video.
And as far as Britney "pushing" for 'Criminal'. I doubt it. It won the poll, by a landslide. I'm certain if they decided to disobey the votes and go with "Drop Dead" (which they obviously really want to release), she would've had the same response about it being one of her favorites, etc. etc. as she has said about every song on the damn album.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
TRASH
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That's all i'm seeing in this post.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
And as far as Britney "pushing" for 'Criminal'. I doubt it. It won the poll, by a landslide. I'm certain if they decided to disobey the votes and go with "Drop Dead" (which they obviously really want to release), she would've had the same response about it being one of her favorites, etc. etc. as she has said about every song on the damn album.
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I mean she pushed for it to be one of the choices in the poll......
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
Not to much on "If U Seek Amy."
Songs like "If U Seek Amy" and "3" are risky because of the lyrical controversies. They were self-promoting, which was great because at the time, no one was promoting Britney at all.
I still can't at "Flute = Risky" |
"Amy" is one of my favorite songs and videos of the last few eras, despite seemingly all her fans loathing the clip. It's lyrically controversial/risky, but in a general sense I find it to be a generic song. It's very fluff.
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Don't try it. Criminal while risky still has potential to be a moderate hit, if it didn't noone would have wanted it as single while my baby just has flop written all over it and isn't even that good of a song. It's like with the fans who wanted unusual you to be a single, it would have been a good change of pace for britney and still had potential to do SOMETHING.
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"Unusual You" >>>>>>>>>>> "Criminal", though. And "UY" would have been an actual risky choice, for reasons beyond it just being a slower song.
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
The only truly generic songs Britney has released in the last 7 years are "If U Seek Amy" & "I Wanna Go", the latter you stan for apparently. |
TTWE? And I wanna go may be generic but at least it's catchy and doesn't sound like a kesha song (ttwe) or a basic black eyed peas reject. (BFB).
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Originally posted by Rico Shameless v2
"Unusual You" >>>>>>>>>>> "Criminal", though. And "UY" would have been an actual risky choice, for reasons beyond it just being a slower song.
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Nice to see we actually agree on something.
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