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Discussion: Why does ATRL hate Taylor Swift?
Member Since: 6/22/2011
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Originally posted by Bea.
Except for Cheers and Man Down.
Man Down is about killing a man but it can't be considered a love song or heartache song...
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Oh. I forgot Cheers. How embarrassing... btw Man Down is still about boy 
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Oh my gosh, you're so right! Songs like Hot Chelle Rae's "Tonight Tonight" and John Mayer's "Say" and Trace Adkins' "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" really put all of pop music to shame. **** Robyn and Lady Gaga and all those other idiots! You can dance to their music, so it must be trash.
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I really don't think that was what he meant. A lot of pop music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics, he didn't say that none of it did nor that pop music is all trash...
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by enchanted0
1. S&M
2. What’s My Name feat. Drake
3. Cheers (Drink To That)
4. Fading
5. Only Girl (In The World)
6. California King Bed
7. Man Down
8. Raining Men feat. Nicki Minaj
9. Complicated
10. Skin
11. Love The Way You Lie (Part II) feat. Eminem
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To be fair, Cheers doesn't belong on that list... and Man Down only belongs if it's about killing an ex-lover... 
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Member Since: 12/11/2007
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I think the haters are very jealous of Taylor's talent, that's the only reason for their never-ending hatred of her.
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
But she also isn't marketed at middle-aged women and men drinking at a bar in the sticks.
She is a crossover artist. Have you listened to all of her songs by any chance?
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I've listened to all of speak now, and about half of fearless and taylor swift.
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Originally posted by Bea.
Thats why she had sold out concert dates here, has top 10 hits and why her albums have gone top 5 and top 10 in numerous European countries. Not to mention her massive success in Australia and other countries not in Europe or North America,
It is very rare that an artist who is marketed as country does well outside of the US/Canada, that is a purely American genre. Shania Twain was the last country artist to be really big outside of America. Taylor is doing damn well.
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That's because just like shania, taylor is NOT marketed as a country singer worldwide, her songs are remixed to a more pop sound. Worldwide she's basically a pop singer.
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Member Since: 10/3/2009
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Originally posted by Bea.
I really don't think that was what he meant. A lot of pop music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics, he didn't say that none of it did nor that pop music is all trash...
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Sin With A Grin is a woman.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Sunderland 4ever
Sin With A Grin is a woman.
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I do this all the time. I have a crap memory, I kind of see people as genderless here if that makes sense.
Sorry Sin. You know I love you.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
I've listened to all of speak now, and about half of fearless and taylor swift.
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And considering she wrote the entire album on her own between the ages of 18 and 20 is it really that bad?
She has plenty of time left to write that classic.
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Member Since: 6/17/2011
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Because she can't seem to get over high school.
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ATRL Moderator
Member Since: 3/18/2009
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Originally posted by Bea.
I really don't think that was what he meant. A lot of pop music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics, he didn't say that none of it did nor that pop music is all trash...
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A lot of music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics. And some of it does. I would say let's judge by intention, not by genre—because I could name you plenty of stupid country songs about drinking, hooking up and tractors being sexy. Yes, songs about partying at the club usually aren't that deep or meaningful. Surprise! And yet, last time I looked, there's a new Nickelback song called "Bottoms Up" climbing into the upper echelons of rock radio.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
A lot of music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics. And some of it does. I would say let's judge by intention, not by genre—because I could name you plenty of stupid country songs about drinking, hooking up and tractors being sexy. Yes, songs about partying at the club usually aren't that deep or meaningful. Surprise! And yet, last time I looked, there's a new Nickelback song called "Bottoms Up" climbing into the upper echelons of rock radio.
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All genres have their piles of **** and hidden diamonds...except maybe Screamo.
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Originally posted by Bea.
All genres have their piles of **** and hidden diamonds...except maybe Screamo.
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Exactly. So we agree that genre snobbery is incredibly annoying and slightly pointless?
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by supaspaz
Exactly. So we agree that genre snobbery is incredibly annoying and slightly pointless?
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Yep. I hate it when people write off a song or artist because it is from a certain genre.
But I don't think that was Sins intention, perhaps she struck a chord.
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Member Since: 1/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
I do this all the time. I have a crap memory, I kind of see people as genderless here if that makes sense.
Sorry Sin. You know I love you.
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haha! It's cool. 
And you're right. GUYSS I don't mean there isn't such thing as a dance/pop song with substance. (ex. Born This Way, Firework, etc). Just saying why people are more lenient on stupid lyrics for that particular genre. 
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
And considering she wrote the entire album on her own between the ages of 18 and 20 is it really that bad?.
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I never said it was bad, i actually think it's pretty good. I just think it's lyrically weak for some songs. I will say though that it is a big step forward in maturity compared to her other albums, but just not enough.
However like you said she still has time to write a country classic.
For the record i dont hate her, as she does seem like a genuinely nice person.
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Member Since: 1/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
All genres have their piles of **** and hidden diamonds...except maybe Screamo.
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this.
Though, I'll have to defend screamo for just a second. Although a lot of it isn't my particular cup of tea, a lot of screamo artists have some very substantial lyrics....even if nobody can decipher them...XD
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Member Since: 9/16/2011
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Originally posted by supaspaz
A lot of music doesn't have the most meaningful of lyrics. And some of it does. I would say let's judge by intention, not by genre—because I could name you plenty of stupid country songs about drinking, hooking up and tractors being sexy. Yes, songs about partying at the club usually aren't that deep or meaningful. Surprise! And yet, last time I looked, there's a new Nickelback song called "Bottoms Up" climbing into the upper echelons of rock radio.
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I have yet to witness Taylor writing a song about drinking or tractors being sexy; and I honestly cannot stand the stereotypical country songs about drinking and American pride.
Taylor recently said at one of her shows "I think... we need music the most when we're feeling things really intensely." She writes songs to capture emotion; that's her intention, and she's quite successful at it.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
I never said it was bad, i actually think it's pretty good. I just think it's lyrically weak for some songs. I will say though that it is a big step forward in maturity compared to her other albums, but just not enough.
However like you said she still has time to write a country classic.
For the record i dont hate her, as she does seem like a genuinely nice person.
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I honestly think some of the less mature songs were put on there with the intention of being singles that were similar to Fearless. The Story of Us and Mine are too generic for singles, I like them but the belong on an album from when she was younger. I also cannot stand Innocent, the only Taylor song I don't use. It is so forced and contrived.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Sin With A Grin
this.
Though, I'll have to defend screamo for just a second. Although a lot of it isn't my particular cup of tea, a lot of screamo artists have some very substantial lyrics....even if nobody can decipher them...XD |
As nice as the lyrics can be, it just gives me a headache and it is indeed indecipherable.
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Member Since: 8/19/2011
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Originally posted by Amaru
Because she can't seem to get over high school.
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Please, by this reason, people would hate (and some already do) Gaga, Katy Perry, Rihanna, and the list goes on for writing about teenage experiences in their twenties.
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