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Discussion: Why does ATRL hate Taylor Swift?
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I think the thing with Britney is because when you're making dance/pop music, it's more acceptable to have stupid lyrics. It's actually very rare for a dance/pop artist to NOT have stupid lyrics. Those songs are made, pretty much to listen to while you're at a party or something.
When you're making pop/rock, rock (and the millions of subgenres of rock), country or country/pop, lyrics are more important. Especially country which is, in and of itself, a more mature genre.
I think that's what everyone means.
Plus, most dance/pop artists don't write their own songs anyways.
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Originally posted by Sin With A Grin
I think the thing with Britney is because when you're making dance/pop music, it's more acceptable to have stupid lyrics. It's actually very rare for a dance/pop artist to NOT have stupid lyrics. Those songs are made, pretty much to listen to while you're at a party or something.
When you're making pop/rock, rock (and the millions of subgenres of rock), country or country/pop, lyrics are more important. Especially country which is, in and of itself, a more mature genre.
I think that's what everyone means.
Plus, most dance/pop artists don't write their own songs anyways.
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I am going to assume you have only heard Taylors singles, to be safe if you have heard more I apologize. Firstly at 21 most girls are still mad for boys, they are still trying to find the one and still getting their heartbroken. Taylor writes what she knows, she isn't pretending to be anything she isn't and as a young woman what she knows is going to be love, heartache, awkwardness, growing up, leaving home etc. She isn't going to make up a fling at a club because that isn't her. Her fanbase being primarily girls between 7 and around her own age, it works for her. Why would she chang a winning formula?
Her songwriting has definitely matured. We have gone from lyrics such as 'Go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine I'll tell mine you're gay' to 'back then I swore I was gonna marry him some day but I've realized some bigger dreams of mine' to her current work which is more along the lines of 'I'll watch your life in pictures like I used to watch you sleep and I'll feel you forget me like I used to feel you breathe'. There is definite progression. Not to mention she has been saying things on her new record she wouldn't have dared before, as silly as it may seem to some remember her fans are young and she has to please the parents, she has talked about sexual awakening in 'Sparks Fly' and a girl being a total **** on 'Better Than Revenge'. There are surprisingly few love songs on Speak Now. Most people expect it all to be castles and princesses, it isn't. 2 of her singles focused around that in her last era, other than that the mentions are few and far between.
But I get your point about dance/pop artists. My point is that Taylor is progressing, She wrote her first album at the age of 12-15, her second at 16-18 and her third at 18-20. If you think about it, her progression has been natural and steady, she has to ease her fanbase into it. That isn't even getting into the different sounds on Speak Now, the huge orchestral sound of Haunted, the fairytale lilt of Enchanted, the Avril Lavigne angst on Better Than Revenge and the countryfied Mean. I don't expect you to like her but you should listen to some more of her music before you write her off completely.
Her record label have been choosing her safest songs this era, they don't represent the album well.
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Originally posted by Bea.
You clearly haven't seen the shade or Taylor rants, quite a few people here have a serious problem with her. When I have my Taylor avi up everytime someone has a problem with me it turns into 'Taylor Swift is crap'  |
You should visit ontd 
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Originally posted by Bea.
I am going to assume you have only heard Taylors singles, to be safe if you have heard more I apologize. Firstly at 21 most girls are still mad for boys, they are still trying to find the one and still getting their heartbroken. Taylor writes what she knows, she isn't pretending to be anything she isn't and as a young woman what she knows is going to be love, heartache, awkwardness, growing up, leaving home etc. She isn't going to make up a fling at a club because that isn't her. Her fanbase being primarily girls between 7 and around her own age, it works for her. Why would she chang a winning formula?
Her songwriting has definitely matured. We have gone from lyrics such as 'Go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine I'll tell mine you're gay' to 'back then I swore I was gonna marry him some day but I've realized some bigger dreams of mine' to her current work which is more along the lines of 'I'll watch your life in pictures like I used to watch you sleep and I'll feel you forget me like I used to feel you breathe'. There is definite progression. Not to mention she has been saying things on her new record she wouldn't have dared before, as silly as it may seem to some remember her fans are young and she has to please the parents, she has talked about sexual awakening in 'Sparks Fly' and a girl being a total **** on 'Better Than Revenge'. There are surprisingly few love songs on Speak Now. Most people expect it all to be castles and princesses, it isn't. 2 of her singles focused around that in her last era, other than that the mentions are few and far between.
But I get your point about dance/pop artists. My point is that Taylor is progressing, She wrote her first album at the age of 12-15, her second at 16-18 and her third at 18-20. If you think about it, her progression has been natural and steady, she has to ease her fanbase into it. That isn't even getting into the different sounds on Speak Now, the huge orchestral sound of Haunted, the fairytale lilt of Enchanted, the Avril Lavigne angst on Better Than Revenge and the countryfied Mean. I don't expect you to like her but you should listen to some more of her music before you write her off completely.
Her record label have been choosing her safest songs this era, they don't represent the album well.
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I don't hate her it's just she's too boring.her music is boring,she looks boring always and that's about it.. 
and she's pretty much only famous in America...here in europe not so much.she's never in the media.
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Member Since: 2/1/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
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she looked good before now she's just too skinny
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by izzy
she looked good before now she's just too skinny |
She has always been really stupidly skinny though, it's not really new. Since the start of Fearless, I think touring and working as hard as she does has taken a real tole on her, she is obviously naturally thing, throw in all that stress and hard-work and she is bound to get skinny.
Everyone should bring cake to her concert and fatten her up a little.
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I don't hate her but all her songs are about boys
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Member Since: 11/6/2010
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Originally posted by Sin With A Grin
I think the thing with Britney is because when you're making dance/pop music, it's more acceptable to have stupid lyrics. It's actually very rare for a dance/pop artist to NOT have stupid lyrics. Those songs are made, pretty much to listen to while you're at a party or something.
When you're making pop/rock, rock (and the millions of subgenres of rock), country or country/pop, lyrics are more important. Especially country which is, in and of itself, a more mature genre.
I think that's what everyone means.
Plus, most dance/pop artists don't write their own songs anyways.
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This.
She is MARKETED as a country singer first of all, and her music is still kind of immature. I don't even understand why she's still considered country after putting full-blown pop songs like better than revenge, haunted and story of us on a supposed country album.
She's marketed as a country singer not a pop singer, which is what her fans need to realize, her writing is still very basic for the genre she's supposed to be in. I feel like she needs to write/sing a concrete angel/greatest man i never knew type of song to prove her songwriting skills and her self in the genre.
It really doesn't help that 80-90%of her fanbase are little kids and teenagers either....she's really gonna have to start writing more mature songs if she wants to have the longevity that several country stars have had.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by Bubi
I don't hate her but all her songs are about boys
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Songs that aren't about boys...
A Place in This World
The Outside
Tied Together With a Smile
Mary's Song (Oh My My My) - it's about the couple that lived next door to her as a kid
Fifteen
Breathe
Change
The Best Day
Mean
Never Grow Up
Better Than Revenge
Innocent
Long Live
American Girl
Oops.
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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she is so boring in my eyes...so not interesting..and her music too!
just my opinion!
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Originally posted by Bubi
I don't hate her but all her songs are about boys
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At least a dozen of her songs aren't "about boys." That's nearly an entire album, which means that approximately a third of her released material isn't about boys.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
This.
She is MARKETED as a country singer first of all, and her music is still kind of immature. I don't even understand why she's still considered country after putting full-blown pop songs like better than revenge, haunted and story of us on a supposed country album.
She's marketed as a country singer not a pop singer, which is what her fans need to realize, her writing is still very basic for the genre she's supposed to be in. I feel like she needs to write/sing a concrete angel/greatest man i never knew type of song to prove her songwriting skills and her self in the genre.
It really doesn't help that 80-90%of her fanbase are little kids and teenagers either....she's really gonna have to start writing more mature songs if she wants to have the longevity that several country stars have had.
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But she also isn't marketed at middle-aged women and men drinking at a bar in the sticks.
She is a crossover artist. Have you listened to all of her songs by any chance?
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Originally posted by Bea.
Songs that aren't about boys...
A Place in This World
The Outside
Tied Together With a Smile
Mary's Song (Oh My My My) - it's about the couple that lived next door to her as a kid
Fifteen
Breathe
Change
The Best Day
Mean
Never Grow Up
Better Than Revenge
Innocent
Long Live
American Girl
Oops.
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other artists maybe have just 4 songs about boys - in their whole discography -but she got too many!
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by toyboy
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other artists maybe have just 4 songs about boys - in their whole discography -but she got too many!
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I would really like you to tell me one artist that has an entire album without a song about boys/love on it or one artist that only has 4 in their discography. I'm not interested unless you have something to back up your claim.
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Member Since: 1/4/2010
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Originally posted by Bea.
I am going to assume you have only heard Taylors singles, to be safe if you have heard more I apologize. Firstly at 21 most girls are still mad for boys, they are still trying to find the one and still getting their heartbroken. Taylor writes what she knows, she isn't pretending to be anything she isn't and as a young woman what she knows is going to be love, heartache, awkwardness, growing up, leaving home etc. She isn't going to make up a fling at a club because that isn't her. Her fanbase being primarily girls between 7 and around her own age, it works for her. Why would she chang a winning formula?
Her songwriting has definitely matured. We have gone from lyrics such as 'Go and tell your friends that I'm obsessive and crazy, that's fine I'll tell mine you're gay' to 'back then I swore I was gonna marry him some day but I've realized some bigger dreams of mine' to her current work which is more along the lines of 'I'll watch your life in pictures like I used to watch you sleep and I'll feel you forget me like I used to feel you breathe'. There is definite progression. Not to mention she has been saying things on her new record she wouldn't have dared before, as silly as it may seem to some remember her fans are young and she has to please the parents, she has talked about sexual awakening in 'Sparks Fly' and a girl being a total **** on 'Better Than Revenge'. There are surprisingly few love songs on Speak Now. Most people expect it all to be castles and princesses, it isn't. 2 of her singles focused around that in her last era, other than that the mentions are few and far between.
But I get your point about dance/pop artists. My point is that Taylor is progressing, She wrote her first album at the age of 12-15, her second at 16-18 and her third at 18-20. If you think about it, her progression has been natural and steady, she has to ease her fanbase into it. That isn't even getting into the different sounds on Speak Now, the huge orchestral sound of Haunted, the fairytale lilt of Enchanted, the Avril Lavigne angst on Better Than Revenge and the countryfied Mean. I don't expect you to like her but you should listen to some more of her music before you write her off completely.
Her record label have been choosing her safest songs this era, they don't represent the album well.
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Oh. I was already corrected on those points. lol, I'm not penalizing her for it anymore (if you'd read my reply to the person who called me out first.) I'm just trying to explain why people aren't hating on dance/pop artists for having stupid lyrics. 
**but also, you make some very good points. And I actually haven't heard any non singles (except like 1 or 2) so that could be why I'm a bit ignorant on the subject. D;
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Member Since: 6/22/2011
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Originally posted by toyboy
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other artists maybe have just 4 songs about boys - in their whole discography -but she got too many!
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1. S&M
2. What’s My Name feat. Drake
3. Cheers (Drink To That)
4. Fading
5. Only Girl (In The World)
6. California King Bed
7. Man Down
8. Raining Men feat. Nicki Minaj
9. Complicated
10. Skin
11. Love The Way You Lie (Part II) feat. Eminem
All songs are about boys 
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by izzy
I don't hate her it's just she's too boring.her music is boring,she looks boring always and that's about it..
and she's pretty much only famous in America...here in europe not so much.she's never in the media. |
Thats why she had sold out concert dates here, has top 10 hits and why her albums have gone top 5 and top 10 in numerous European countries. Not to mention her massive success in Australia and other countries not in Europe or North America,
It is very rare that an artist who is marketed as country does well outside of the US/Canada, that is a purely American genre. Shania Twain was the last country artist to be really big outside of America. Taylor is doing damn well.
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Member Since: 6/16/2010
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Originally posted by enchanted0
1. S&M
2. What’s My Name feat. Drake
3. Cheers (Drink To That)
4. Fading
5. Only Girl (In The World)
6. California King Bed
7. Man Down
8. Raining Men feat. Nicki Minaj
9. Complicated
10. Skin
11. Love The Way You Lie (Part II) feat. Eminem
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Except for Cheers and Man Down.
Man Down is about killing a man but it can't be considered a love song or heartache song...
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Originally posted by Sin With A Grin
I think the thing with Britney is because when you're making dance/pop music, it's more acceptable to have stupid lyrics. It's actually very rare for a dance/pop artist to NOT have stupid lyrics. Those songs are made, pretty much to listen to while you're at a party or something.
When you're making pop/rock, rock (and the millions of subgenres of rock), country or country/pop, lyrics are more important. Especially country which is, in and of itself, a more mature genre.
I think that's what everyone means.
Plus, most dance/pop artists don't write their own songs anyways.
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Oh my gosh, you're so right! Songs like Hot Chelle Rae's "Tonight Tonight" and John Mayer's "Say" and Trace Adkins' "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" really put all of pop music to shame. **** Robyn and Lady Gaga and all those other idiots! You can dance to their music, so it must be trash.
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