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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Born This Way' (#3)
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Originally posted by Oshiish
No boo, lets not.
Because RedOne produced it, its got to be a hit? Well... newsflash, Redone produced Judas. It meets all the criteria you posted above, but it flopped.
**** is an amazing aong but I fel as tho its a bit tough for the ears on the first couple of listens, much like Judas. I think Mary The Night is far more easy to listen to and very catchy. Which one is a bigger hit, one will not know.
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Top 10 =/= Flop.
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I have an impending sense of doom she'll release the album's least fav (ie You and I) to make us all love it deal. (Fashion of His Love as a single  )
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Originally posted by SoHappyICouldDie
Top 10 =/= Flop.
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Whether a song is successful has nothing to do with its peak position.
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Originally posted by Gagasm
I have an impending sense of doom she'll release the album's least fav (ie You and I) to make us all love it deal. ( Fashion of His Love as a single ) |
This could be an era killer, I swear if she really does this...
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Well even though Judas hit 10, it served its purpose as a top 10 to tie the top 10 record. If we don't get a #1, I hope for a top 10 to break the consecutive record.
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Originally posted by slimane12
Since when? The only dumb songs she has released are Just dance, Telephone and Lovegame. Paparazzi is about obsessive love using a clever fame metaphor, Pokerface is about playing hard to get in a relationship using a poker metaphor, Bad romance is about her break up with speedy mixed in with gothic verses that reference Hitchcock, Alejandro is about her being in love with a gay man. The fame was a concept album...it was deliberately frivolous but it's not who she is at all. It's a shame this went over the head of some of her fans.
I don't think she mind's losing a few million sales here and there if it means she's moving forward. She might not be as big as she was during The Fame era but she's still selling shitloads and her tour is going to slay. You have to piss people off now and then if you want to grow. She's the only true artist out of all the pop girls.
You sound like the sort of the person that's cash obsessed. Sell, Sell, Sell...anything as long as it sells. You should go and work for Rihanna's team.
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I was talking about HER FIRST 3 SONGS. The ones that put her on the map.
Just Dance is about a girl who's drunk in the club.
The most memorable line in Poker Face is the one about her vagina. Every interviewer, reputable or not, asked her about it. It got Barbara Walters to talk about muffins on her highly-rated year-end special. Like it or not, a line about her ***** cemented her as a star. Again, she's not Adele.
LoveGame is about dick.
So yes, her first 3 songs are about clubs, sex and fun.
Awww, Gaga doesn't want to sell? Massive, endless WW promo just for fun? That's nice.
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Originally posted by Foot
Whether a song is successful has nothing to do with its peak position.
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********.
The fact that there's a chart that exists to determine the popularity and success of a song completely disproves your theory.
That post couldn't be any more wrong.
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Originally posted by dream8ker
This could be an era killer, I swear if she really does this... |
If You and I can hit #6, watch it hit #4+ 
loljk please Gaga, don't test us like this. Even the holy blood of christ will not be enough to help me.
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Marry The NIght will be a single, but the problem with it is that as a single is too safe. Safe to the point where it stands in front of the line that limits the generic radio-friendly music from Gaga's music. And Gaga is taking every risk she can this era, so I'd say she wouldn't choose MTN as the next single. She would release it as in the middle of next year as 7th single.
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I think (hope) she's learned her lesson from this era; she's not above pop music.
Even though I think Born This Way is a better album than The Fame Monster, there would've been no shame in a couple of proper, safe, fun club bangers in place of absolute back like Bad Kids, Hair, Government Hooker etc.
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Originally posted by SoHappyICouldDie
********.
The fact that there's a chart that exists to determine the popularity and success of a song completely disproves your theory.
That post couldn't be any more wrong.
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Are you serious? This chart not only takes into consideration peaks, but also weeks on the chart and several other factors. "Judas" may have peaked in the top 10 (for a week due to first week downloads,) but that song had no longevity. Sales, radio support, etc. should be taken into consideration when determining this.
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Originally posted by SoHappyICouldDie
False.
RedOne produced it, he's produced 7/11 of her top 10 hits. It's got a high BPM, it's catchy, and a chorus to sing along to.
Marry The Night starts midtempo, then fast, then midtempo, then fast again, then that weird little section (cuuuut a ruuuuuuuuuggggg), then it ends fast. The changes in tempo are going to be too much to create a decent radio edit, and it'll get little radio play.
I love Marry The Night (so many Whitney teas), but it's one of the least safe single choices (other than Heavy Metal Lover)
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People in the radio are gonna be like WTF when they listen to the German-gibberish intro, while when they listen MTN they'll have a nice, Piaf-esque Gaga on the spotlight. Which is the safest choice now?
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Originally posted by DoctorIce
I think (hope) she's learned her lesson from this era; she's not above pop music.
Even though I think Born This Way is a better album than The Fame Monster, there would've been no shame in a couple of proper, safe, fun club bangers in place of absolute back like Bad Kids, Hair, Government Hooker etc.
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No. Why would she replace GH? It's one of the best on the album.
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Originally posted by SoHappyICouldDie
********.
The fact that there's a chart that exists to determine the popularity and success of a song completely disproves your theory.
That post couldn't be any more wrong.
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That chart exists to determine the popularity of a song in a particular week. If a song debuts at #1 with 300k and ends up selling 400k it has gone #1 but has clearly not been successful - this is the Judas scenario exaggerated.
Only selling 800k despite the huge hype, the exposure (controversy + #1 on iTunes) and being one of her best songs renders Judas a flop.
It is your post that couldn't be any more wrong.
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Originally posted by DoctorIce
I think (hope) she's learned her lesson from this era; she's not above pop music.
Even though I think Born This Way is a better album than The Fame Monster, there would've been no shame in a couple of proper, safe, fun club bangers in place of absolute back like Bad Kids, Hair, Government Hooker etc.
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But that's exactly what it would be, shameful. It's shameful to not produce the material you want as an artist in order to produce what people want you to.
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Originally posted by Alberto
People in the radio are gonna be like WTF when they listen to the German-gibberish intro, while when they listen MTN they'll have a nice, Piaf-esque Gaga on the spotlight. Which is the safest choice now?
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You know there's going to be radio edits. Start **** at 0:33. That's the point it would start on radio.
MTN would have that entire Piaf intro cut out realistically. You'll hear from 0:29 onwards, realistically. Radio loves high tempo.
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Originally posted by DoctorIce
I think (hope) she's learned her lesson from this era; she's not above pop music.
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None of the popstars are above it. Why would they think they are? The public doesn't take them or their music that seriously. What they want from them is fun. Even Beyonce, with her 16 Grammys, is still waiting to spend a single week in the Hot 100 Top 10 this era. Give people what they want or suffer the consequences.
And if you're going to put out music that deviates from your past successes, you better make sure it's ****ing amazing.
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She doesn't think she's "above" pop music. This album is so pop! It's big choruses all over the album. It's just darker in a production sense. Americano is one of the campyest songs she's ever recorded. Gaga fine thanks, 2011 is is about to become her highest selling album year yet.
I hope she keeps taking risks. You are not a fan and never were doctorice. Stop polluting the forum with your negativity you shallow commercially driven toad...go and listen to cascada or Katy Perry.
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Originally posted by Foot
That chart exists to determine the popularity of a song in a particular week. If a song debuts at #1 with 300k and ends up selling 400k it has gone #1 but has clearly not been successful - this is the Judas scenario exaggerated.
Only selling 800k despite the huge hype, the exposure (controversy + #1 on iTunes) and being one of her best songs renders Judas a flop.
It is your post that couldn't be any more wrong.
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Exactly, the ability of a song to stay in the top for several weeks determines whether it is successful or not...
Judas clearly flopped despite its top 10 debut, and so would probably other songs from BTW, except Scheisse, MTN and HML and maybe Bloody Mary if people go beyond the religious connotations.
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Originally posted by Foot
That chart exists to determine the popularity of a song in a particular week. If a song debuts at #1 with 300k and ends up selling 400k it has gone #1 but has clearly not been successful - this is the Judas scenario exaggerated.
Only selling 800k despite the huge hype, the exposure (controversy + #1 on iTunes) and being one of her best songs renders Judas a flop.
It is your post that couldn't be any more wrong.
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It underperfomed, at best.
It didn't flop, not at all.
That last point is subjective.
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