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Music News: Billboard uses "double counting" trick for Katy Perry
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Why is this thread still open though?
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Anyway, I hate download supression. I actually think Rihanna lost a lot of sales by doing that.
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Who was releasing their songs immediatley to digital retailers back in 2008 or 2007 though? It was very uncommon.
I just don't look at supression the same way I do the remix trend that Rihanna has made very popular in pop.
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Bleeding Love and IKAG were released immediately IIRC. I'm not going to do research, but Rihanna was the one who took advantage of suppressing downloads the most. Or perhaps I should say she was the one who capitalised on it the most? Whatever you prefer.
I'm not necessarily criticising her either. I'm just trying to get the point across that #1s lost their integrity years ago, not recently like this article claims.
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Then that's sadder.
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whatever. 
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 There could only be one word used for y'all delusional people: DESPERATE. Katy is ****ing owning it and y'all be mad coz she is owning ya faves.
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Download suppression isn't chart manipulation. Well, it is in the UK, but it's not the same in the US. That's how things worked, or used to, in the music industry. Before the Digital Age songs were send to radio stations for them to spin it, and promotion would follow (Music video and etc..). Def Jam, being Def Jam, suck at everything they do, so that's the result of that.
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Repressing sales was always viewed as a form of "chart manipulation," and it was looked down upon just as much as these last minute remixes.
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[B]Download suppression isn't chart manipulation. Well, it is in the UK, but it's not the same in the US. That's how things worked, or used to, in the music industry. Before the Digital Age songs were send to radio stations for them to spin it, and promotion would follow (Music video and etc..). Def Jam, being Def Jam, suck at everything they do, so that's the result of that.
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This is also why I view it differently.
After people released they just lost sales by doing it later, the tactic stopped.
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Someone educate me, what is download suppression? Is it not releasing your singles for sale until the airplay peaks?
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Originally posted by MusicTalker
Anyway, I hate download supression. I actually think Rihanna lost a lot of sales by doing that.
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"A lot of sales?" Most of Rihanna's singles, if not all of them, were released digitally one week after being released to Radios officially. That's just how DJ works, not Rihanna.
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There could only be one word used for y'all delusional people: DESPERATE. Katy is ****ing owning it and y'all be mad coz she is owning ya faves. |
The irony of using THAT word to help Katy. You're not helping at all 
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I do agree that these remixes need to be counted separately (and as soon as that happens, the remix craze will end). It's become a desperate and increasingly common infestation and speaks to the fact that these popstars are really only making music for the charts and for absolutely no other reason.
However, right now, it counts. It counts for everyone - it's not like BB made an exception for Katy. So deal w/ it and move on.
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Someone educate me, what is download suppression? Is it not releasing your singles for sale until the airplay peaks?
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Basically, or at least once you have a significant amount of airplay. Not only does it get you more airplay points, but there's bound to be a lot of frontloaded demand in sales once a song everyone's been hearing is finally available to purchase.
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Someone educate me, what is download suppression? Is it not releasing your singles for sale until the airplay peaks?
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Yes, to help better chances at a high chart position, particularly #1.
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Someone educate me, what is download suppression? Is it not releasing your singles for sale until the airplay peaks?
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Letting your single build up on airplay before releasing it digitally, to achieve the maximum peak. You don't do it too long, because you can potentially lose sales from illegal downloading, but that's how you get good peaks on billboard, even if there is no longevity
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You can say all you want, like it or not, Katy still has the #1. STAY PRESSED 
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Originally posted by Celestial
Bleeding Love and IKAG were released immediately IIRC. I'm not going to do research, but Rihanna was the one who too advantage of suppressing downloads the most. Or perhaps I should say she was the one who capitalised on it the most?
I'm not necessarily criticising her either. I'm just trying to get the point across that #1s lost their integrity years ago, not recently like this article claims.
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Both artists were new. They had no big airplay to gain on like Rihanna did. Both songs had to climb digitally to become airplay smashes.
She did take advantage of it the most, but she released the most first singles too. Rihanna & Def Jam weren't responsible for how LYL was handled, but what T.I.'s label did was quite normal.
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Oh yes it was. Mariah is the Queen of chart manipulation. I'm not gonna get into that.
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Honey, the only difference is that her remixes were off the hook. 
LFN and S&M remixes SUCKED balls. 
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Someone educate me, what is download suppression? Is it not releasing your singles for sale until the airplay peaks?
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Not necessarily. It's not releasing a single for sale until demand is sufficiently high. Had "Bad Romance" been suppressed, it would have most definitely been #1. In some instance releasing a song too soon is what prevents it from topping the charts.
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After J Lo manipulated the charts with her "I'm Real" and "Ain't It Funny" 'remixes' which were completely different from the original version, there was a rule that if a remix is significantly differect from the original song, they'd count seperately.
Now with all the features remixes manipulation these days, there should be a rule that if a remix features an artist not on the original song, it counts as a seperate song.
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And suppression (this was referred to repression at one time, I thought) didn't start with the digital era. Mariah used it during the physical singles era and during the digital era with "Don't Forget About Us" and "Touch My Body." Michael used it in the '90s with "You Are Not Alone," and there were a few others during that time period, but Mariah is infamous for it.
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