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Celeb News: Tony Bennett: "Lady Gaga's going to become as big as Elvis!"
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
I've been saying this since May when the entirety of BTW was released.  The moment I heard it, I knew it was the beginning of the end.  |
You had your doubts before then, though. I remember during our numerous discussions before the era even started you were pessimistic and I was the one who was overconfident that it was going to be a big success. I think part of you always knew that she had a shelf life.
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The Katy stans keep trying it.
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Originally posted by JonnyϟLightning
The Katy stans keep trying it.
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They're as desperate as their leader. 
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Originally posted by Icing
Not really. Gaga's on her second album and she's already taking Erotica-sized risks.  Madonna always (with the exception of Erotica) made sure that she had commercialism to back her up. Like a Prayer was the riskiest song/video of her career...but it still had SMASH written all over it. It's like Gaga thinks she can run around and do/release whatever the **** she wants and people will always eat the **** up. Madonna's much, much smarter than her in that regard. She very rarely strayed away from what she was supposed to do as a popstar. |
I guess it depends on what lens you're viewing it through. If you're thinking "commercial pop star," first and foremost, then sure, the most important thing is to cultivate mass appeal, but if you're viewing them as a "musician," then isn't their primary concern to make good music, regardless of how commercial it is?
Fair enough for people who think BTW sucks, and I understand the "if nobody's listening, what's the point" rationale, I just think it's an example of priorities being out of wack. If that were the case, there's not really any reason for any number of incredibly talented indie pop stars to be getting out of bed in the morning, eh?
I'm not sure how successful Gaga expected the album to be, though she did seem to imply that she thought it would turn a lot of people off. I think she does care about being successful, but maybe cares more about doing what she wants right now.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I guess it depends on what lens you're viewing it through. If you're thinking "commercial pop star," first and foremost, then sure, the most important thing is to cultivate mass appeal, but if you're viewing them as a "musician," then isn't their primary concern to make good music, regardless of how commercial it is?
Fair enough for people who think BTW sucks, and I understand the "if nobody's listening, what's the point" rationale, I just think it's an example of priorities being out of wack. If that were the case, there's not really any reason for any number of incredibly talented indie pop stars to be getting out of bed in the morning, eh?
I'm not sure how successful Gaga expected the album to be, though she did seem to imply that she thought it would turn a lot of people off. I think she does care about being successful, but maybe cares more about doing what she wants right now.
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I Wonder What She Has In Mind For The Next Album
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Originally posted by Icing
Madonna always (with the exception of Erotica) made sure that she had commercialism to back her up. It's like Gaga thinks she can run around and do/release whatever the **** she wants and people will always eat the **** up.
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GaGa has always had plenty of commercialism to back her up, including this era. Maybe in terms of visuals, she's done some risky things but in terms of sound, no.
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Originally posted by Celestial
You had your doubts before then, though. I remember during our numerous discussions before the era even started you were pessimistic and I was the one who was overconfident that it was going to be a big success. I think part of you always knew that she had a shelf life.
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Yeah, I think anyone whose debut is so massive is automatically set for a decline.
But the moment I really knew was when she went from pretentiously entertaining popstar (2008-9) to one who actually thought she was brilliant enough to make all the disenfranchised feel better about themselves (2010). I sensed that this preachy arrogance would be reflected in her future work.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
GaGa has always had plenty of commercialism to back her up, including this era. Maybe in terms of visuals, she's done some risky things but in terms of sound, no.
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This era is risky in every regard. I don't care that BTW is a dance song, from its lyrical content to its producers to its visuals, it's risky as hell.
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Originally posted by Rainbows
He's an 85 year old man who possibly even knew Elvis.
Think about all the people he's been around in the music industry his whole life... it's an endless list.
Yet at the end of the day, he said that Gaga is the most talented person he's ever met.
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Or say something about the effect of old-age and dementia on the brain.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I guess it depends on what lens you're viewing it through. If you're thinking "commercial pop star," first and foremost, then sure, the most important thing is to cultivate mass appeal, but if you're viewing them as a "musician," then isn't their primary concern to make good music, regardless of how commercial it is?
Fair enough for people who think BTW sucks, and I understand the "if nobody's listening, what's the point" rationale, I just think it's an example of priorities being out of wack. If that were the case, there's not really any reason for any number of incredibly talented indie pop stars to be getting out of bed in the morning, eh?
I'm not sure how successful Gaga expected the album to be, though she did seem to imply that she thought it would turn a lot of people off. I think she does care about being successful, but maybe cares more about doing what she wants right now.
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Did you not see the interview with Troy when he said that by the end of its run, they were expecting to ship over 30 million copies of BTW? 30 MILLION. Just... what?  Gaga and her team expected people to devour it. That's probably what's most concerning about it.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
I've been saying this since May when the entirety of BTW was released. The moment I heard it, I knew it was the beginning of the end. |
... sometimes I think you're waaaay too catastrophic about this album (of course you can answer it's because BTW is waaaay too catastrophic).
I mean, the album didn't really live up to my expectations in any sense, for me it's still very hard to swallow, and it's been like 3 months now. But I've just accepted it - it seems that many people really loved it, so it's OK. I have other things to listen to.
The point is: why can't she release a VERY good album after Born This Way? Trust me, it's way too early to say it's the END.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
But the moment I really knew was when she went from pretentiously entertaining popstar (2008-9) to one who actually thought she was brilliant enough to make all the disenfranchised feel better about themselves (2010). I sensed that this preachy arrogance would be reflected in her future work.
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Yeah, dumb bitch. Pop stars can't effect change or make people feel good about themselves.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
GaGa has always had plenty of commercialism to back her up, including this era. Maybe in terms of visuals, she's done some risky things but in terms of sound, no.
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The singles released this era were commercial, but I don't think the album as a whole was. She was really limited in what she could chose to release as a sure-fire hit.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Yeah, I think anyone whose debut is so massive is automatically set for a decline.
But the moment I really knew was when she went from pretentiously entertaining popstar (2008-9) to one who actually thought she was brilliant enough to make all the disenfranchised feel better about themselves (2010). I sensed that this preachy arrogance would be reflected in her future work.
This era is risky in every regard. I don't care that BTW is a dance song, from its lyrical content to its producers to its visuals, it's risky as hell. |
Yes, but do you not think she might re-evaluate where she is going at the end of this era? If she struggles to sell out arenas when she starts touring again then I definitely think she will change things up. She'll compromise her artistic vision for success. She's in it for the fame. 
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Originally posted by Icing
Did you not see the interview with Troy when he said that by the end of its run, they were expecting to ship over 30 million copies of BTW? 30 MILLION. Just... what? Gaga and her team expected people to devour it. That's probably what's most concerning about it. |
That was reported by a second or third hand source as a rumored offhand comment made in a private conversation. Nobody in their right mind would have those expectations, and I always doubted it since Troy has always seemed very level-headed to me. That would be the most impressive album performance ever given current market conditions. It seems more likely that he was talking about total record sales from the era, if anything.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Yes, but do you not think she might re-evaluate where she is going at the end of this era? If she struggles to sell out arenas when she starts touring again then I definitely think she will change things up. She'll compromise her artistic vision for success. She's in it for the fame. |
She's not in it for the temporary fame. She's in it to be a legend and an icon, and that entails more than a tame follow-up to a successful debut.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Yes, but do you not think she might re-evaluate where she is going at the end of this era? If she struggles to sell out arenas when she starts touring again then I definitely think she will change things up. She'll compromise her artistic vision for success. She's in it for the fame. |
She won't have any problem selling out arenas. 
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Norah Jones the upstart
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
She's not in it for the temporary fame. She's in it to be a legend and an icon, and that entails more than a tame follow-up to a successful debut.
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She already had her collosal follow-up that demonstrated evolution with TFM.
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Originally posted by bobbymfw
GaGa has always had plenty of commercialism to back her up, including this era. Maybe in terms of visuals, she's done some risky things but in terms of sound, no.
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I don't know about you, but I don't really consider copying Madonna, rapping in German and trying to rehash 80's arena rock very commercially friendly decisions. 
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
She already had her collosal follow-up that demonstrated evolution with TFM.
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Yeah, but people here don't often consider that to be a follow-up for some reason.
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Originally posted by Icing
I don't know about you, but I don't really consider copying Madonna, rapping in German and trying to rehash 80's arena rock very commercially friendly decisions. |
But the incorporation of heavy metal and opera are.
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