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Celeb News: Jo Calderone hosting the VMAs?
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Originally posted by princedonte
I hope she falls off the stage.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Isn't it normal for her to see a decline given how huge her first era was?
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IKR? it's just impossible to have an even bigger era than The Fame Monster, it's just pure gravity 
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Originally posted by Celestial
GaGa used to be elusive because of all her theatrics, but now she just comes across as contrived and desperate.
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I know, nobody was calling her desperate or contrived during TF/TFM eras. I'm sure I could go back and read the initial reactions to her first VMA performance in '09 and NOT see those same exact adjectives being applied to her over and over again.
Call it a matter of degree, but it's still a distinction you have to make. The gimmicks aren't the "problem," they are a significant part of what got her to where she is/was. People not taking to the singles released thus far is the real issue, if anything.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Isn't it normal for her to see a decline given how huge her first era was?
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Perhaps, but it didn't have to be so steep. Nobody expected the wheels to fall off so quickly.
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
Lady Gaga's career being in decline is so painfully obvious that if anyone actually demands proof, it's a waste of time providing it since they'll just keep refusing to see what's right in front of them.
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Maybe that's why this type of thing is important, to some extent. I don't think her career is in decline so much as it is stabilizing. She has a severely loyal fan-base that is supplemented by a wide array of musical influences. I think it's important that everyone in the world knows her name, but a lot of her work on Born This Way seems almost more focused on showing niche markets that she appreciates their type of music.
I don't know. Certainly, I understand how this could be a further blow to her career. But, I'm also kind of sure it might work out well for her. To be able to shock or polarize for this long in the digital era is astounding in itself. I mean, let's be real. Gaga is immensely talented, but that is only related to her current success insofar as it took her realize that theatricality was what she needed to supplement her music with.
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Ha, well judging by how pressed everyone is here, it might work out.
There's no doubt it's going to be a huge challenge, even for Gaga. The thing is, Gaga rose to the top like this. She has been showing a different side of her through her music lately, but people expect Gaga to shock. Sure, she doesn't have to do it all of the time, and to some extent, she's realized that. But she is Lady Gaga and performance art is her passion.
Gaga stans: don't be too worried, she's already pissed off most of the people that hate her. She can pull this off.
Everyone else, I apologize that if this is true, she will not only completely overshadow all of your faves (again), but she will produce one of the biggest news stories of the year (again) from an event that isn't too high-profile. Oh, well.
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Originally posted by Celestial
My expectations were not too high. Four million in three months is all good and well, but look at the bigger picture and is it really that surprising when she's following an album that sold 13 million copies? No, it's not. If you take a closer look and realise that she opened with two million copies in her first week you will note how front-loaded the sales were and how fast they fell off in the coming months due to a lack of hit singles to sell the album.
It doesn't matter what her next single is going to be. Judas was supposed to be a huge smash, it flopped. TEOG was supposed to be huge, it was an average top ten hit. You and I has yet to enter the top 100 on iTunes despite considerable airplay and substantial buzz. It has all the makings of a flop.
It will create major headlines, but if it doesn't sell albums then what's the point? She's not going to come out of it looking good.
I know theatrics and gimmicks are the same thing. I like to vary my vocabulary, dear. |
Judas Was The Largest Mess Ive Ever Heard In My Life 
TEOG Was One Of Her Largest Radio Hits. It's Still Increasing On Two Radio Formats While Y&I Is Starting To Blow Up.
I Agree With You About Her "Popularity" Slightly Fading, But Saying Her Career Is In A Decline Is Just Going Too Far. Her "Popularity" Wasn't Always Going To Be The At Her BR Peak. Nobody Can Be That Huge For That Long Of Time.
Back On Topic
She's Taking Risks With This, And That's What She's Known To Do 
It Can Be A Large, Messy Disaster, Or It Could Be Something Completely Different In Which We Are Not Seeing. Either Way It's Promo To Her Name, To Jo , And Without A Doubt Im Sure It WIll Increase Her Album Sales (Which Are What Now Out Of The Top 20?  )
O And Varying Vocab Is Always Good To My Eyes, I Like Changing Things Up As Well, Dear 
That's Why U And Nicole Are My Fav's On Here Just Saying
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I wouldn't call it desperation, I would call it OVEREXPOSURE.
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Originally posted by Celestial
Perhaps, but it didn't have to be so steep. Nobody expected the wheels to fall off so quickly. |
TF and TFM each would have sold about 7-8m on their own terms without the bundled release. I don't know why anyone ever thought it was reasonable to expect more than 6-8m for BTW when that was what she was selling as the hot new cultural phenomenon.
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Originally posted by Celestial
My expectations were not too high. Four million in three months is all good and well, but look at the bigger picture and is it really that surprising when she's following an album that sold 13 million copies? No, it's not. If you take a closer look and realise that she opened with two million copies in her first week you will note how front-loaded the sales were and how fast they fell off in the coming months due to a lack of hit singles to sell the album.
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Yes but that album didn't sell 13 Million copies in three months, it was over a long period of time. The sales for Born this Way were obviously going to be front-loaded just look at the huge hype she had for the album. It's 100% obvious that the sales for the album were going to be front-loaded. Worldwide the sales haven't been bad at all, she still pulls 100K worldwide for supposedly as you say not having any "hit singles".
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Originally posted by Lost_In_Stereo100
Judas Was The Largest Mess Ive Ever Heard In My Life
TEOG Was One Of Her Largest Radio Hits. It's Still Increasing On Two Radio Formats While Y&I Is Starting To Blow Up.
I Agree With You About Her "Popularity" Slightly Fading, But Saying Her Career Is In A Decline Is Just Going Too Far. Her "Popularity" Wasn't Always Going To Be The At Her BR Peak. Nobody Can Be That Huge For That Long Of Time.
Back On Topic
She's Taking Risks With This, And That's What She's Known To Do
It Can Be A Large, Messy Disaster, Or It Could Be Something Completely Different In Which We Are Not Seeing. Either Way It's Promo To Her Name, To Jo , And Without A Doubt Im Sure It WIll Increase Her Album Sales (Which Are What Now Out Of The Top 20? )
O And Varying Vocab Is Always Good To My Eyes, I Like Changing Things Up As Well, Dear
That's Why U And Nicole Are My Fav's On Here Just Saying
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Honey, how is your finger not broken from hitting Shift/Caps lock so many times?
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Honey, how is your finger not broken from hitting Shift/Caps lock so many times? |
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If she shows up as a man, I will be very disappointed in her hosting.
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I know, nobody was calling her desperate or contrived during TF/TFM eras. I'm sure I could go back and read the initial reactions to her first VMA performance in '09 and NOT see those same exact adjectives being applied to her over and over again.
Call it a matter of degree, but it's still a distinction you have to make. The gimmicks aren't the "problem," they are a significant part of what got her to where she is/was. People not taking to the singles released thus far is the real issue, if anything.
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She didn't take herself so seriously early on in her career. When Just Dance and Poker Face blew up she may have been slightly eccentric but most people took her as another plastic pop tart. In her early interviews she mentioned regularly that she went to the same school as Paris Hilton, and whether that was intentional or not it painted a picture of her in many peoples' minds. Theatrics are not necessarily a bad things provided in how she uses them.
I agree that the singles released thus far have been a major issue. With the exception of Judas they have all been lacklustre, and amongst the worst on the record. The album is great overall, but the singles release don't sell it well. HML, GH and Scheiße should have been singles. They would have been risks, but I'd rather see her flop for doing something different rather than underperforming for being safe.
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Originally posted by Celestial
I agree that the singles released thus far have been a major issue. With the exception of Judas they have all been lacklustre, and amongst the worst on the record. The album is great overall, but the singles release don't sell it well. HML, GH and Scheiße should have been singles. .
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I like the tea you have been spilling since your return.
Gaga stans worship TEOG when it's barely listenable
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Originally posted by Celestial
She didn't take herself so seriously early on in her career. When Just Dance and Poker Face blew up she may have been slightly eccentric but most people took her as another plastic pop tart. In her early interviews she mentioned regularly that she went to the same school as Paris Hilton, and whether that was intentional or not it painted a picture of her in many peoples' minds. Theatrics are not necessarily a bad things provided in how she uses them.
I agree that the singles released thus far have been a major issue. With the exception of Judas they have all been lacklustre, and amongst the worst on the record. The album is great overall, but the singles release don't sell it well. HML, GH and Scheiße should have been singles. They would have been risks, but I'd rather see her flop for doing something different rather than underperforming for being safe.
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She's Saving Best Singles For The End Of The Era ( When People Start Expecting A "Decline" In Quality When We All Know She Has Been Choosing Weak Singles) 
Why Am I Getting So Off Topic
I Still Have Yet To Decide If I Really Like This Situation Of Jo Hosting Or Not, But It's Still Not Confirmed
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Lady Gaga('s team) is obviously trying something to boost her album sales.
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Originally posted by princedonte
I hope she falls off the stage.
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This debate has become way too redundant. I think that when it comes to Lady Gaga, the bloom is off the rose and no stan's paragraph is going to change that. Sorry! 
Oh and Celestial, TEOG is her best single since BR. Her sickening ego just ruined the video.
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I wonder if people will even realize that it's Gaga. Wouldn't that be a trip
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Originally posted by Lost_In_Stereo100
She's Saving Best Singles For The End Of The Era ( When People Start Expecting A "Decline" In Quality When We All Know She Has Been Choosing Weak Singles)
Why Am I Getting So Off Topic
I Still Have Yet To Decide If I Really Like This Situation Of Jo Hosting Or Not, But It's Still Not Confirmed |
You Need To Stop Typing Everything Like It's An Article Headline.
Seriously, that takes effort, it's not like accidentally leaving your CAPS LOCK on. It's unbelievably unnecessary. Stop it.
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