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Album: Lady Gaga - 'Born This Way' (#2)
Member Since: 3/4/2011
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You can't judge the BTW impact/success while we're still in the start of the era. Those are things that you judge with retrospective few years later. It already outsold The Fame Monster EP in the US, so I don't see what everyone is freaking about
There's still 3-4 great singles coming on that will help the album continue to sell..
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Member Since: 5/3/2011
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Originally posted by Haus Of Navin
Madonna.
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Exactly... I wish there were forums back in the days she started her erotica era to capture the ractions at the time, she was really polarizing and yet she is the massive super star we know...
We will measure her success and the success of this album on the long run... Few mistakes don't ruin 3 years of hard work and talent. Like everyone she learns from her mistakes.
We should be appreciating what we've already got and focus on the positive... Born this Way is an excellent pop album and I belivie/hope it will do very well with a good single choice for 4th to 6th
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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I hate when people say Gaga needed to change, or else people would get bored. There's LIMITS. The Fame Monster was acceptable.
This era isn't about what she said her music would be about back in 08. And don't tell me it's different because of how huge she's gotten. Even after all the fame, she still managed to evolve and not change for The Fame Monster. That era is my proof.
Gaga was always the one talking about how L.A. wouldn't change her. That makes me crack up
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
A LARGE reason for the success of TFM EP was TF.
BR was big, but overall the EP rode the coattails of the Gaga obsession created by TF.
It's ridiculous to say TFM was bigger or sold more. TF gave TFM its thunder.
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It is not ridiculous. BR was totally the EP, and that was her cultural moment of arrival where even her detractors had to sit up and realize she was a force to be reckoned with. She'd sold 1.6m albums before the EP and 5.5m after it. TF itself would have topped out at somewhere between 2m and 2.5m.
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Member Since: 5/1/2011
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
Yes, but if she'd stayed there people would be bitching about how she was stagnating. I understand all the criticisms being tossed her way, but it kind of loses its impact when it comes from people who were worried about her direction with TFM. If the EP hadn't been such a commercial success they would have been clamoring about where she went wrong creatively even then.
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I didn't say I want another 'The Fame'. Growing is very important for an artist to stay relevant. 'The Fame Monster' was a really well balanced album in terms of commerciality and meaning/concept.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Honey Eyes
I didn't say I want another 'The Fame'. Growing is very important for an artist to stay relevant. 'The Fame Monster' was a really well balanced album in terms of commerciality and meaning/concept.
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That's fine, my post was more aimed at those who viewed TFM with trepidation before it became the success it was.
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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Originally posted by Haus Of Navin
Madonna.
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pointy titties and sexual lyrics.
popped up like that.
GAGA..... everything is just mixed.
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Member Since: 5/3/2011
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
A LARGE reason for the success of TFM EP was TF.
BR was big, but overall the EP rode the coattails of the Gaga obsession created by TF.
It's ridiculous to say TFM was bigger or sold more. TF gave TFM its thunder.
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I'm sorry but I so disagree with this!
I really started to stan for her with this EP, and more than half of my friends who stan for her, it's the same for them!
I personally believe that except for Teeth other all songs on that EP could have been smashing singles and were a clear improvement compared to TF, which was already good, but not all of its songs were great...
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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Originally posted by MrPeanut
I don't think her image/sound this era has been any less cohesive than it was in the past two, it's just a matter of the general public being less receptive to what that is. I'd say if anything TFM was more of a dramatic departure.
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Her image this era is different and not repetitive enough.
Horns, Crazy Eye-Make up, Teal hair, Moles, Versace.
slow it down, it's been a month and you're a mess.
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Member Since: 7/9/2010
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All this talk about how this era is bad, which era is the best, etc. gets redundant after a while 
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Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Of course I deeply love things like Poker Face and LoveGame, but I'm not here for three hundred Poker Faces all over again.
You can always say that Bad Romance is a Poker Face 2.0 em Judas is a Bad Romance 2.0/Poker Face 3.0, but if you really pay attention to the three of them, they are very different on style. Poker Face uses those dark beats; Bad Romance goes all grand with huge "OOOOOOOOHH"s and aggressive vocals; Judas has this amazing hard, edgy, tribal techno beat, and those odd verses.
The structure remains the same, but they're all different.
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Member Since: 11/18/2010
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*enters thread..... reads.... leaves thread* 
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Originally posted by Honey Eyes
I didn't say I want another 'The Fame'. Growing is very important for an artist to stay relevant. 'The Fame Monster' was a really well balanced album in terms of commerciality and meaning/concept.
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Right, no one is saying they want the exact same Fame Gaga back.
But I still can't believe the girl who wrote this slam-dunk lyric...
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Russian Roulette is not the same without a gun / And baby when it's love if it's not rough it isn't fun
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...also wrote this:
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You're black, white, beige, chola descent. You're Lebanese, you're Orient
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What the **** does that jumbled mess lacking all manner of political correctness even mean? It's embarrassing. 
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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A bit off topic, but I want Gaga to do a full blown conceptual era. When she started wearing the protrusions on her face, I was excited because I thought she was going to be an alien in every video, every appearance, etc. I don't care if she is accused of ripping off Bowie even more, I want one big theatric concept album and era sometime in the course of her career.
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Member Since: 5/1/2011
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Originally posted by dream8ker
I'm sorry but I so disagree with this!
I really started to stan for her with this EP, and more than half of my friends who stan for her, it's the same for them!
I personally believe that except for Teeth other all songs on that EP could have been smashing singles and were a clear improvement compared to TF, which was already good, but not all of its songs were great...
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Same for me. I think this EP was her definitive confirmation. Every track is really good, except 'Teeth' and the general level is high while 'The Fame' has four really huge songs, some great tracks and the rest are fillers. Just my opinion...
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Member Since: 7/14/2010
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She's always talking about how she wants people to see her and how image is so important for the celebrity.
Yet, she's giving us a mess and mixture. How do you want us to see you? I really don't know.
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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by AnotherGagaFan
Her image this era is different and not repetitive enough.
Horns, Crazy Eye-Make up, Teal hair, Moles, Versace.
slow it down, it's been a month and you're a mess.
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And TFM image didn't see any visual changes? Wasn't the bitch wearing a lobster hat at one point? Her image per single has been pretty consistent this era.
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Member Since: 5/3/2011
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Originally posted by lolzjustinwat
A bit off topic, but I want Gaga to do a full blown conceptual era. When she started wearing the protrusions on her face, I was excited because I thought she was going to be an alien in every video, every appearance, etc. I don't care if she is accused of ripping off Bowie even more, I want one big theatric concept album and era sometime in the course of her career.
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NO

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Member Since: 5/27/2010
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Originally posted by Haus_of_Nicole
But I still can't believe the girl who wrote this slam-dunk lyric...
...also wrote this:
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This is to mean that there are no embarrassing lyrics on TF and no slam-dunk lyrics on BTW? I love that PF line and don't like that BTW line, but if you cherry-pick you can do that to anything.
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